It is my understanding in reviewing of archaeological & historical records including Josephus, Philo and others that the actual entomological title “Palestine” was created by Roman Emperor Titus and his Generals. They had carried out a brutal siege and destruction of Jerusalem and the 2nd Temple in 70 AD (CE). Over a million Jews mostly all civilian including the hideous brutal murder of pregnant women & children. After this attempted genocide the Romans hated the Jews so much that Emperor Titus wanted to terminally desecrate the Jews perpetuity and thus renamed this geographical area after the arch enemies of the Jews - the Philistines. The Philistians had long since been completely destroyed as a people’s & nation. The Latin translation of Philistia was Palestine. As well described in this publication above, multiple different ill-defined peoples did live in this region including the Amonoites (Modern day northern Jordan), Moabites (modern day central Jordan) and Idumeans (modern day southern Jordan.
The publication of “Innocents Abroad”
by Samuel Clemons (Mark Twain) who was neither a Jew or a Christian but likely an agnostic, described his observations of “Palestine” in 1869. There was NOBODY in “Palestine” and he described it as a God forsaken wasteland that was uninhabitable. This is consistent with multiple major & minor prophets (17) in the Torah / Old Testament where it is repeatedly prophesied that the land would never flourish until the Jews returned. Read it. It has been literally fulfilled like thousands of other prophecies in the Judaeo-Christian scriptures.
An important question that all should ask is why every generation since creation of man has had an evil preoccupation with to eliminating the Jews and wipe them off the face the earth. No other people/nation come any where close to the Jews in this regard. The Hamans, Titus, Hitlers & Iranian Mullahs have recurred in every generation of human history. Why?
There is a simple answer to this question but it cannot be answered without a complete understanding of the spiritual realm that is very clearly and firmly established in the Torah / Old Testament.
Yes, the name "Palestina" was coined by a Roman emperor, but a different one --- Hadrian, in the wake of the Bar Kochba Uprising (132-135 CE). He also renamed Jerusalem as "Aelia Capitolina", after his own gens (kinship group) Aelia.
I can't take seriously a narrative of "the roots of Palestinian identity, free from any false or propagandistic fodder" that completely omits any of the well-documented historical facts of the 1948 Nakba.
It doesn't matter what these people called themselves or what their national aspirations were. That's just obfuscating criminal conduct and human suffering. They were there, and they were murdered en masse, and forcibly evicted from their generational homes. Women and children! Noncombatants.
Honest Israelis, common people, acknowledge this festering wound at the center of their own national identity. You'd do well to listen to them and take another step back from the propaganda machine.
Then tell the whole story. No hands were clean in this. There displacements were on both sides, and the Arab governments encouraged and threatened residents to flee. These are historical facts too, if they don't align with the narrative.
Yeah - The Arabs have virtually expelled the Jews from all of their nations. A gradual process over many decades. Now they want to expel them from their ancestral homeland as well. A more honest slogan would be, "From the mountains to the sea, the whole Arab world will be Jew-Free". Arab nations are not democracies. They have no freedom of thought, they have their own version of a "hive mind" full of rage and hatred towards every Jew on the planet.
Also much gas an oil is found under Gaza, so to the Ukrainian Black Sea Coast has large gas and oil reserves found. However when found Ukraine was pro Russia. Then the coup that set up Zelensky ( I have left out a few events such as Maidan) sponsored by the West. I made a time line I can share if asked.
The timeline arose out of my trying to understand why there was war in Ukraine and the US?NATO could not find a solution with Russia. Where did Ukraine get the money for such a war when it was totally bankrupt. Why would Germany accept the destruction of Nord Stream?
"I refer you to Joan Peter's seminal work, "From Time Immemorial " which absolutely destroys the fraud of the "Palestinian" narrative. " You beat me to it. ALL the receipts are there.
Arafat was an Egyptian army officer recruited by the KGB to lead the Palestinian pretend people. I refer you to Joan Peter's seminal work, "From Time Immemorial " which absolutely destroys the fraud of the "Palestinian" narrative.
The author didn’t make the 20th century human connection so I will.
Grand Mufti and Nazi collaborator Haj Amin al-Husseini was Yasser Arafat’s uncle. Arafat’s mother died when he was 5 years old, and Yasser lived w/ his Nazi-loving uncle in Jerusalem until he was 9 or 10 yrs of age. Amin al-Husseini went on to be Arafat’s mentor. The Jewish hate-baton was passed on here.
Haj Amin mentor was Muhammad Rashid Rida, who goes back to 19th century. This guy was anti-Zionist too, and called for the re-establishment of an Islamic caliphate, support of armed Jihad and embraced Wahhabism to unite pan-Arab peoples to achieve.
Arafat also somehow became a billionaire before his death.
Wonder how he could build and lead what must have been a very succesful business while doing all the other stuff he did.
I mean, surely the leader of the arabs calling themselves palestinians couldn't have swindled his own people out of aid money confiscated from people that have nothing to do with him or his group?
Did I miss something? No mention here of Rothschild and the Balfour Declaration of Nov.2, 1917. From James Balfour, Secretary of the British Foreign Office, conveying the King's opinion on the matter of Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".
Zionism was never uniformly accepted by Jews to this day. MOst Jews have no blood tie to ancient Israel any more than the majority of non-Jew Palestinians. The reviled Palestinian Christians probably have the most claim from their ancestors.
Read 1948 by Benny Morris. Goes into England playing both sides. They said they were in favor and then did whatever they could to interfere. Didn’t want to upset the oil arrangements
That's what England does and then the ol' Bait & Switcheroo. Golda Meir and King Hussein of Jordan making their agreement to settle the displaced Palestinan Arabs in TranJordan as neither of them wanted to give the Palestinians their own country. Menachem Begin was even more hard core with the Irgun doing its Nakba. I am not picking sides here. I have intimate family relations who are both secular Jews and Lubavitchers. It took me 75 years to allow anything but the Official Narrative pentrate about Jews as the only worthy Victims in the world. What we are seeing now is the end-stage of a festering deep infection - the only cure is to forgive and change your own heart. The British and American Govts.are controlled by the rich and powerful Lubavitch faction, which includes the Rothschilds, and they want no change of heart. The Goy and Torah Jews aren't worth anything to these people who have dominated the last 100+ years in all realms.
The Jews are God’s people, but the governments of the world, including the government of the state of Israel, are not serving God. They’re serving themselves
there's one indigenous arab territory--the arabian peninsula. every other country now defined as "arab" is a colonized and arabized political creation. and every modern royal dynasty in the middle east was manufactured by the british according to their own political expediencies.
There's a far easier way of understanding "palestinian" as an identity. Compare it to how "aryan" was defined by the national socialists, the allys and friends of the originators of today's "palestinians".
"Palestine is where palestinians live", simply. That also harmonises with islam and how it insists on conflict and violent overthrow of all others, and the subsequent subjugation and eventual genocide of non-islamic cultures.
Mein Kampf or Quoran, the only difference is the name of the Führer/prophet.
You've got it twisted 180 degrees. They're called "palestinians" because they live in Palestine, one of many ancient names for the area. Pre-1948, the Jews living in Mandatory Palestine (a British imperial construct) were "Palestinian Jews".
palestine is a name imposed first by the romans. before that it was judaea, the romanized version of judah i.e. the kingdom of judah, one of the two jewish kingdoms in the territory (the other had been the northern kingdom of israel.
a branch of my family, returning after the centuries to our indigenous land, became "palestinian jews" as the british mandate termed it.
The Roman empire didn't just make up a name for it either. Some say "Palestine" is just a variant of "Philistine": a people who were living there before any Hebrews showed up, at least in the Biblical chronology.
Philistines aren't to be confused with Arabs. But if your family was coming there from Europe, then they may well be descended from Khazars, and not Semites.
Italians are, Etruscan, Neopolitan, Florentine, Roman, Sicilian, etc. Those are States in Itally. No different than Californians being Americans
Palestine is neither a State nor a Nation. Palestine is a regional geographic reference, no different than saying "the middleast", or "the Levant", or "the Holy land" - except that 'Palestine' is a geopolitical invention. There has never in the history of the planet ever been a nation of Palestine. There's no such thing as "Palestinians" outside geopolitical rhetoric.
Moreover, It is clear to anyone who has read the "Qur'on" & "Mien Kampf" that you're making a 'false equivalency' Logical fallacy. Those two books are not comparable other than being books.
Mein Kampf and Quoran are very similar - all authority comes from the Leader, and in his absence his chosen interpreters of the lore. The only main difference is the Quroan alos justifies the Leader's words by referring to a god, while Mein Kampf refers to destiny, will and similar concepts.
Which amounts to the same thing: a set of principles beyond anyone but Leader and his chosen to interpret and impose on the followers.
Furthermore, I was with the remark re: italians/etruscans referring to the very common mistake of conflating nationality as in citizenship with nationality as in ethnicity or people.
For some nations, such as Denmark or Finland nationality means both. For some people and or nation-states such as the USA, they don't, and for some -
- like kurds in Turkey, which I note there's no international race-based lobby calling for Turkey, Irak and Syria to give up territory to - it's more complex than that.
Your response changes nothing about your false equivalency. False equivalency is Logical fallacy, but when you clearly haven't even read the books you compare, it's straight up fabrication.
Explaining why you made a false equivalency doesn't change it from being false equivalency. Even if you demonstrate that you do not know what Logical fallacy is by responding with even more Logical fallacy.
Then demonstrate the where, what and how of your claimed false equivalency; if such exists, you must prove it since you make the claim.
I provided a brief arguement as to why they can be compared and held up as examples of the same basic thing. That is not a logical fallacy.
To paraphrase a certain well-known childrens' movie: "You keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means".
Oh, and in my language it's "Irak". Before that, it was Mesopotamia I believe. Does that make the inhabitants there today "mesopotamians" by your logic?
Your absence of education is not my responsibility. It's clear from your own comments that you do not have the requisite education in Logic, you imagine yourself having. A 'false equivalency' is axiomatic or do you not know how Language works? You obviously do not comprehend the axiomatic nature of written Language.
Moreover, making comparison of 2 books you have never read is just straight-up arrogant ignorance, as well as a false a false comparison, punctuating your false equivalency, and a hollow 'baseless' opinion.
How many times must an axiomatic Logical fallacy of Language be pointed out to you for you to understand? I can't understand it for you! Nobody can. Your ignorance of Logical fallacy is your problem, not mine. You might want to learn the Taxonomy of Logical fallacies. It's as easy to learn as Multiplication Tables.
Go get your own education in Logic. I paid for mine, and I put in the years of study, as well as a career. Learn to understand it for yourself. I don't have to explain anything to you. Grow up.
This isn't a scholastic debate ffs! It is Internet discourse with a stranger. You're accountable for yourself, the words you write, and your understanding of them before you write them. You clearly have a lot of education to catch up on.
FTR - the Logic of Language is axiomatic of Language... you can read, can't you? How do you not know how reading works? Clearly you're just being arrogantly-ignorant & obstinate. I suspect it's because you're clueless of what constitutes Logical fallacy.
And finally - as you can clearly see, this is English. Again, it's axiomatic of the Language you're reading right now! IRAQ is how it's spelled in English. No reader on Substack knows what your native Language is - nor do they need to - because this is published in English. Your BS about Mesopotamia is non sequitur - another Logical fallacy.
The Logic of Language is axiomatic of writing even if you're ignorant of this axiom of Logic.
Responding to repeat more Logical fallacy does nothing for your absence of a cogent argument.
Concede your Logical fallacy and find a Logically sound form of your argument, if one exists.
It's up to you to prove. I have pointed out how you disproved your own argument with Logical fallacy or do you not get that? I didn't make an argument - you attempted to make one with Logical fallacy and I pointed out just one of your fallacies invalidating your attempt at argument.
FTR - That is a cogent argument in retort.
You might want to start understanding your own fallacy by actually reading the Qur'on and Mein Kampf instead of asserting baseless opinions. Opinion is inherent fallacy of Logic. Then go get an education in Logic and stop imagining that you have one.
Thanks for posting this as I have been doing some research into the notion of "Palestinian" since I had read a while back that Arab-speaking folks in what would become Israel called themselves Palestinian only because they wanted a state by that name. Further, one of my fave Christian preachers, JD Farag, born in Lebanon of Egyptian dad and Arab mother, pretty much said the same things as posted in this article; while I did refer to himself as "Palestinian" at times, he actually calls himself Arab. This post is correct, "Palestinian" is truly a construct, but these folks are going to call themselves Palestinian no matter what. As for the war going on right now, I support neither side, but will always support Christians on both sides. Whether Arab or Palestinian, these folks need to wake up--their leaders are terrible (and Israel's aren't much better, IMHO).
This is a good article. What is missing, I would say, is how many years Israel has been under attack constantly. That is an important piece to know & understand.
Imagine living in a country where the people outside your border and constantly shooting rockets into your country. Day-in day-out, year-after-year. And then they do what occurred on Oct. 7th. A severely strong response is warranted.
Interesting article and contains much truth. When one gets down to the brass tacks, however, none of the arguments by the Muslims means anything. Mohammad declared in his hadith that devout Muslims were to kill Jews anywhere they found them. This why most Muslims reject the two state solution, with only one state, from "the river to the sea", and judenrein.
It wasn't only much maligned "Western Imperialism" which upset the apple cart after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire -- though as the victors in the "Great War", Western Europeans had every right to exert control over their newly conquered lands. Ruminate all you want over the morality of this, but these are the rules of war from time immemorial. To the winner go the spoils. The Soviet Union and the KGB had its designs on Israel as well from the beginning of its modern statehood. But as Israel chose to cozy up with first the British and then then the U.S., the KGB began aiming its deadly effective propaganda cannons at Israel. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, of course, the Ayatollahs stepped up to the plate. And we all know how much they want peace in the region.
As the author stated, the mere presence of Jews living on what was considered Muslim land exclusively has contributed much to the intractable hate we see on display today. External forces both in the Arab world and from the Soviet Union sowed much unrest as well for purely their own perceived advantage. Neither the Arab world, the Soviets, or the Persians have ever held any actual concern for the welfare of Arabs in Palestine. They are the world's pawns.
• For a start, there is no "State of Palestine." In fact, until 1964, there was not even a "Palestinian people".
• "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality, today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism." — Zoheir Mohsen, Palestinian leader, interview in Trouw, March 31, 1977.
• "For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." — Zoheir Mohsen, Trouw, March 31, 1977.
of course there is a difference. the lebanese are genetically deescended from the canaanites. syrians have been arabized but syrian christian communities retain the use of aramaic as both common tongue and liturgical language. aramaic was spoken by the jews of the time of jesus.
Thanks for that link. I had heard most of those points before, but they have much more impact when viewed as a collection. Misinformation doesn't even begin to describe it -- and these are the lies being taught in American universities to our young and impressionable.
FYI, when you see a very long URL like that you can usually cut it off after the question mark (?). Everything after that is extraneous. so:
I've been a big fan of your writing, and included you in the Balanced Media Diet (www.BalancedMediaDiet.com) I've put together for years now, but this is pretty weak journalism here. ("How does [group of people] feel about this thing?" "Let's ask someone who isn't a member of that group").
there are no actual palestinians. they are arabs. the territory they are indigenous to is the arabian peninsula. they are colonizers of the levant (and many other places).
But this makes no difference to the conflict. In 1967 the lands of the West Bank and Gaza were inhabited foreign territory, not available for Israeli sovereignty and settlement by force.
And the other side says "90+% of Jews living in Israel have zero genetic history to the land of Palestine".
So round and round we go. No counter offers to my previous proposal? So lets spin our wheels and explain how "right our side is" rather that talking solutions.
Seriously. What would it take you to give up the west bank and Gaza and let Palestine exist as a true country?
1) No army. They are allowed police and sufficient arms for that role to be enforced. Israel gets to verify.
2) please fill in here your "paranoia list" (Paranoia is a good thing LOL)
Failure to meet any of these terms will result in being nuked. Palestine agrees to those terms. At that point everyone in the world has a vested interest in Palestine NOT doing anything stupid including the current sponsors of Hamas (intel agencies). They will keep them in line.
You come clean and admit what you have, open to independent international inspections and discuss limits with neighbours. Decide what you need to feel secure and stop attacking everyone preemptively. No to "You get to decide and not tell anyone". I can't sign treaties with someone who lies to me.
It is my understanding in reviewing of archaeological & historical records including Josephus, Philo and others that the actual entomological title “Palestine” was created by Roman Emperor Titus and his Generals. They had carried out a brutal siege and destruction of Jerusalem and the 2nd Temple in 70 AD (CE). Over a million Jews mostly all civilian including the hideous brutal murder of pregnant women & children. After this attempted genocide the Romans hated the Jews so much that Emperor Titus wanted to terminally desecrate the Jews perpetuity and thus renamed this geographical area after the arch enemies of the Jews - the Philistines. The Philistians had long since been completely destroyed as a people’s & nation. The Latin translation of Philistia was Palestine. As well described in this publication above, multiple different ill-defined peoples did live in this region including the Amonoites (Modern day northern Jordan), Moabites (modern day central Jordan) and Idumeans (modern day southern Jordan.
The publication of “Innocents Abroad”
by Samuel Clemons (Mark Twain) who was neither a Jew or a Christian but likely an agnostic, described his observations of “Palestine” in 1869. There was NOBODY in “Palestine” and he described it as a God forsaken wasteland that was uninhabitable. This is consistent with multiple major & minor prophets (17) in the Torah / Old Testament where it is repeatedly prophesied that the land would never flourish until the Jews returned. Read it. It has been literally fulfilled like thousands of other prophecies in the Judaeo-Christian scriptures.
An important question that all should ask is why every generation since creation of man has had an evil preoccupation with to eliminating the Jews and wipe them off the face the earth. No other people/nation come any where close to the Jews in this regard. The Hamans, Titus, Hitlers & Iranian Mullahs have recurred in every generation of human history. Why?
There is a simple answer to this question but it cannot be answered without a complete understanding of the spiritual realm that is very clearly and firmly established in the Torah / Old Testament.
Thanks James. Great information here
Yes, the name "Palestina" was coined by a Roman emperor, but a different one --- Hadrian, in the wake of the Bar Kochba Uprising (132-135 CE). He also renamed Jerusalem as "Aelia Capitolina", after his own gens (kinship group) Aelia.
I can't take seriously a narrative of "the roots of Palestinian identity, free from any false or propagandistic fodder" that completely omits any of the well-documented historical facts of the 1948 Nakba.
https://ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html
It doesn't matter what these people called themselves or what their national aspirations were. That's just obfuscating criminal conduct and human suffering. They were there, and they were murdered en masse, and forcibly evicted from their generational homes. Women and children! Noncombatants.
Honest Israelis, common people, acknowledge this festering wound at the center of their own national identity. You'd do well to listen to them and take another step back from the propaganda machine.
https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/why-i-no-longer-stand-with-israel
Then tell the whole story. No hands were clean in this. There displacements were on both sides, and the Arab governments encouraged and threatened residents to flee. These are historical facts too, if they don't align with the narrative.
Absolutely. I have more Israeli friends than Arab friends, but I'm not taking a side here. I'm just advocating for honest history.
The Nakba is like the Maidan 2014 coup. Never mentioned, didn’t exist, total misinformation.
The Palestinians got punished for Germany’s (and Europe’s) crimes.
Far more Arab citizens in Israel, than Jews in the rest of the Arab world.
Yeah - The Arabs have virtually expelled the Jews from all of their nations. A gradual process over many decades. Now they want to expel them from their ancestral homeland as well. A more honest slogan would be, "From the mountains to the sea, the whole Arab world will be Jew-Free". Arab nations are not democracies. They have no freedom of thought, they have their own version of a "hive mind" full of rage and hatred towards every Jew on the planet.
Also much gas an oil is found under Gaza, so to the Ukrainian Black Sea Coast has large gas and oil reserves found. However when found Ukraine was pro Russia. Then the coup that set up Zelensky ( I have left out a few events such as Maidan) sponsored by the West. I made a time line I can share if asked.
The timeline arose out of my trying to understand why there was war in Ukraine and the US?NATO could not find a solution with Russia. Where did Ukraine get the money for such a war when it was totally bankrupt. Why would Germany accept the destruction of Nord Stream?
A time line helped me to understand.
What a pack of lies you have swallowed.
How sad.
"I refer you to Joan Peter's seminal work, "From Time Immemorial " which absolutely destroys the fraud of the "Palestinian" narrative. " You beat me to it. ALL the receipts are there.
Arafat was an Egyptian army officer recruited by the KGB to lead the Palestinian pretend people. I refer you to Joan Peter's seminal work, "From Time Immemorial " which absolutely destroys the fraud of the "Palestinian" narrative.
Great post Jordan, thanks!
The author didn’t make the 20th century human connection so I will.
Grand Mufti and Nazi collaborator Haj Amin al-Husseini was Yasser Arafat’s uncle. Arafat’s mother died when he was 5 years old, and Yasser lived w/ his Nazi-loving uncle in Jerusalem until he was 9 or 10 yrs of age. Amin al-Husseini went on to be Arafat’s mentor. The Jewish hate-baton was passed on here.
Haj Amin mentor was Muhammad Rashid Rida, who goes back to 19th century. This guy was anti-Zionist too, and called for the re-establishment of an Islamic caliphate, support of armed Jihad and embraced Wahhabism to unite pan-Arab peoples to achieve.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Rida
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism
Arafat also somehow became a billionaire before his death.
Wonder how he could build and lead what must have been a very succesful business while doing all the other stuff he did.
I mean, surely the leader of the arabs calling themselves palestinians couldn't have swindled his own people out of aid money confiscated from people that have nothing to do with him or his group?
Did I miss something? No mention here of Rothschild and the Balfour Declaration of Nov.2, 1917. From James Balfour, Secretary of the British Foreign Office, conveying the King's opinion on the matter of Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".
https://www.rothschildarchive.org/collections/rothschild_faqs/walter_rothschild_and_the_balfour_declaration
Zionism was never uniformly accepted by Jews to this day. MOst Jews have no blood tie to ancient Israel any more than the majority of non-Jew Palestinians. The reviled Palestinian Christians probably have the most claim from their ancestors.
Read 1948 by Benny Morris. Goes into England playing both sides. They said they were in favor and then did whatever they could to interfere. Didn’t want to upset the oil arrangements
That's what England does and then the ol' Bait & Switcheroo. Golda Meir and King Hussein of Jordan making their agreement to settle the displaced Palestinan Arabs in TranJordan as neither of them wanted to give the Palestinians their own country. Menachem Begin was even more hard core with the Irgun doing its Nakba. I am not picking sides here. I have intimate family relations who are both secular Jews and Lubavitchers. It took me 75 years to allow anything but the Official Narrative pentrate about Jews as the only worthy Victims in the world. What we are seeing now is the end-stage of a festering deep infection - the only cure is to forgive and change your own heart. The British and American Govts.are controlled by the rich and powerful Lubavitch faction, which includes the Rothschilds, and they want no change of heart. The Goy and Torah Jews aren't worth anything to these people who have dominated the last 100+ years in all realms.
The Jews are God’s people, but the governments of the world, including the government of the state of Israel, are not serving God. They’re serving themselves
this is nonsense. god is neither a lousy parent nor a real estate broker.
this is good but leaves out foundational facts.
there's one indigenous arab territory--the arabian peninsula. every other country now defined as "arab" is a colonized and arabized political creation. and every modern royal dynasty in the middle east was manufactured by the british according to their own political expediencies.
There's a far easier way of understanding "palestinian" as an identity. Compare it to how "aryan" was defined by the national socialists, the allys and friends of the originators of today's "palestinians".
"Palestine is where palestinians live", simply. That also harmonises with islam and how it insists on conflict and violent overthrow of all others, and the subsequent subjugation and eventual genocide of non-islamic cultures.
Mein Kampf or Quoran, the only difference is the name of the Führer/prophet.
You've got it twisted 180 degrees. They're called "palestinians" because they live in Palestine, one of many ancient names for the area. Pre-1948, the Jews living in Mandatory Palestine (a British imperial construct) were "Palestinian Jews".
palestine is a name imposed first by the romans. before that it was judaea, the romanized version of judah i.e. the kingdom of judah, one of the two jewish kingdoms in the territory (the other had been the northern kingdom of israel.
a branch of my family, returning after the centuries to our indigenous land, became "palestinian jews" as the british mandate termed it.
The Roman empire didn't just make up a name for it either. Some say "Palestine" is just a variant of "Philistine": a people who were living there before any Hebrews showed up, at least in the Biblical chronology.
Philistines aren't to be confused with Arabs. But if your family was coming there from Europe, then they may well be descended from Khazars, and not Semites.
https://archive.org/details/thirteenthtribe00arth
no, dear. we ain't khazars.
Philistines. That’s the Biblical name for these people. Philistines.
I think Jordan (et. al.) covered this.
Yeah, sure - and the italians are called etruscans, right?
Italians are, Etruscan, Neopolitan, Florentine, Roman, Sicilian, etc. Those are States in Itally. No different than Californians being Americans
Palestine is neither a State nor a Nation. Palestine is a regional geographic reference, no different than saying "the middleast", or "the Levant", or "the Holy land" - except that 'Palestine' is a geopolitical invention. There has never in the history of the planet ever been a nation of Palestine. There's no such thing as "Palestinians" outside geopolitical rhetoric.
Moreover, It is clear to anyone who has read the "Qur'on" & "Mien Kampf" that you're making a 'false equivalency' Logical fallacy. Those two books are not comparable other than being books.
Mein Kampf and Quoran are very similar - all authority comes from the Leader, and in his absence his chosen interpreters of the lore. The only main difference is the Quroan alos justifies the Leader's words by referring to a god, while Mein Kampf refers to destiny, will and similar concepts.
Which amounts to the same thing: a set of principles beyond anyone but Leader and his chosen to interpret and impose on the followers.
Furthermore, I was with the remark re: italians/etruscans referring to the very common mistake of conflating nationality as in citizenship with nationality as in ethnicity or people.
For some nations, such as Denmark or Finland nationality means both. For some people and or nation-states such as the USA, they don't, and for some -
- like kurds in Turkey, which I note there's no international race-based lobby calling for Turkey, Irak and Syria to give up territory to - it's more complex than that.
Your response changes nothing about your false equivalency. False equivalency is Logical fallacy, but when you clearly haven't even read the books you compare, it's straight up fabrication.
Explaining why you made a false equivalency doesn't change it from being false equivalency. Even if you demonstrate that you do not know what Logical fallacy is by responding with even more Logical fallacy.
FTR - it's Iraq with a 'q' not "Irak" 🤣
Then demonstrate the where, what and how of your claimed false equivalency; if such exists, you must prove it since you make the claim.
I provided a brief arguement as to why they can be compared and held up as examples of the same basic thing. That is not a logical fallacy.
To paraphrase a certain well-known childrens' movie: "You keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means".
Oh, and in my language it's "Irak". Before that, it was Mesopotamia I believe. Does that make the inhabitants there today "mesopotamians" by your logic?
Your absence of education is not my responsibility. It's clear from your own comments that you do not have the requisite education in Logic, you imagine yourself having. A 'false equivalency' is axiomatic or do you not know how Language works? You obviously do not comprehend the axiomatic nature of written Language.
Moreover, making comparison of 2 books you have never read is just straight-up arrogant ignorance, as well as a false a false comparison, punctuating your false equivalency, and a hollow 'baseless' opinion.
How many times must an axiomatic Logical fallacy of Language be pointed out to you for you to understand? I can't understand it for you! Nobody can. Your ignorance of Logical fallacy is your problem, not mine. You might want to learn the Taxonomy of Logical fallacies. It's as easy to learn as Multiplication Tables.
Go get your own education in Logic. I paid for mine, and I put in the years of study, as well as a career. Learn to understand it for yourself. I don't have to explain anything to you. Grow up.
This isn't a scholastic debate ffs! It is Internet discourse with a stranger. You're accountable for yourself, the words you write, and your understanding of them before you write them. You clearly have a lot of education to catch up on.
FTR - the Logic of Language is axiomatic of Language... you can read, can't you? How do you not know how reading works? Clearly you're just being arrogantly-ignorant & obstinate. I suspect it's because you're clueless of what constitutes Logical fallacy.
And finally - as you can clearly see, this is English. Again, it's axiomatic of the Language you're reading right now! IRAQ is how it's spelled in English. No reader on Substack knows what your native Language is - nor do they need to - because this is published in English. Your BS about Mesopotamia is non sequitur - another Logical fallacy.
The Logic of Language is axiomatic of writing even if you're ignorant of this axiom of Logic.
Responding to repeat more Logical fallacy does nothing for your absence of a cogent argument.
Concede your Logical fallacy and find a Logically sound form of your argument, if one exists.
It's up to you to prove. I have pointed out how you disproved your own argument with Logical fallacy or do you not get that? I didn't make an argument - you attempted to make one with Logical fallacy and I pointed out just one of your fallacies invalidating your attempt at argument.
FTR - That is a cogent argument in retort.
You might want to start understanding your own fallacy by actually reading the Qur'on and Mein Kampf instead of asserting baseless opinions. Opinion is inherent fallacy of Logic. Then go get an education in Logic and stop imagining that you have one.
Why not. Etruscan and Italians have a similar genetic history. Except after the fall of Rome they were fertilized by invasions of Gauls Franks etc.
Thanks for posting this as I have been doing some research into the notion of "Palestinian" since I had read a while back that Arab-speaking folks in what would become Israel called themselves Palestinian only because they wanted a state by that name. Further, one of my fave Christian preachers, JD Farag, born in Lebanon of Egyptian dad and Arab mother, pretty much said the same things as posted in this article; while I did refer to himself as "Palestinian" at times, he actually calls himself Arab. This post is correct, "Palestinian" is truly a construct, but these folks are going to call themselves Palestinian no matter what. As for the war going on right now, I support neither side, but will always support Christians on both sides. Whether Arab or Palestinian, these folks need to wake up--their leaders are terrible (and Israel's aren't much better, IMHO).
This is a good article. What is missing, I would say, is how many years Israel has been under attack constantly. That is an important piece to know & understand.
Also missing the role played by the Soviets.
I agree will all of your points!
Imagine living in a country where the people outside your border and constantly shooting rockets into your country. Day-in day-out, year-after-year. And then they do what occurred on Oct. 7th. A severely strong response is warranted.
Interesting article and contains much truth. When one gets down to the brass tacks, however, none of the arguments by the Muslims means anything. Mohammad declared in his hadith that devout Muslims were to kill Jews anywhere they found them. This why most Muslims reject the two state solution, with only one state, from "the river to the sea", and judenrein.
Danny Huckabee
It wasn't only much maligned "Western Imperialism" which upset the apple cart after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire -- though as the victors in the "Great War", Western Europeans had every right to exert control over their newly conquered lands. Ruminate all you want over the morality of this, but these are the rules of war from time immemorial. To the winner go the spoils. The Soviet Union and the KGB had its designs on Israel as well from the beginning of its modern statehood. But as Israel chose to cozy up with first the British and then then the U.S., the KGB began aiming its deadly effective propaganda cannons at Israel. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, of course, the Ayatollahs stepped up to the plate. And we all know how much they want peace in the region.
As the author stated, the mere presence of Jews living on what was considered Muslim land exclusively has contributed much to the intractable hate we see on display today. External forces both in the Arab world and from the Soviet Union sowed much unrest as well for purely their own perceived advantage. Neither the Arab world, the Soviets, or the Persians have ever held any actual concern for the welfare of Arabs in Palestine. They are the world's pawns.
https://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2022/04/08/exposing-the-soviet-lie-of-israeli-apartheid/
https://allisrael.com/15-facts-about-palestine-that-you-won-t-hear-in-the-mainstream-media?utm_source=All%20Israel%20News&utm_campaign=fe546cb255-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_10_22_12_54_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-f357280d9a-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D (https://allisrael.com/15-facts-about-palestine-that-you-won-t-hear-in-the-mainstream-media?utm_source=All%20Israel%20News&utm_campaign=fe546cb255-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_10_22_12_54_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-f357280d9a-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D)
Palestinians
• For a start, there is no "State of Palestine." In fact, until 1964, there was not even a "Palestinian people".
• "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality, today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism." — Zoheir Mohsen, Palestinian leader, interview in Trouw, March 31, 1977.
• "For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." — Zoheir Mohsen, Trouw, March 31, 1977.
of course there is a difference. the lebanese are genetically deescended from the canaanites. syrians have been arabized but syrian christian communities retain the use of aramaic as both common tongue and liturgical language. aramaic was spoken by the jews of the time of jesus.
Yes. In the area where I grew up there was a large Assyrian community from Iran-very Christian. They spoke Farsi
their liturgical language is aramaic and they are probably bilingual in farsi.
I have a friend from Tehran and she speaks both Farsi and Arabic
I was hoping someone would correct the main essay, thank you.
Thanks for that link. I had heard most of those points before, but they have much more impact when viewed as a collection. Misinformation doesn't even begin to describe it -- and these are the lies being taught in American universities to our young and impressionable.
FYI, when you see a very long URL like that you can usually cut it off after the question mark (?). Everything after that is extraneous. so:
https://allisrael.com/15-facts-about-palestine-that-you-won-t-hear-in-the-mainstream-media
works just as well.
Thank you
How about ask an actual Palestinian?
I've been a big fan of your writing, and included you in the Balanced Media Diet (www.BalancedMediaDiet.com) I've put together for years now, but this is pretty weak journalism here. ("How does [group of people] feel about this thing?" "Let's ask someone who isn't a member of that group").
there are no actual palestinians. they are arabs. the territory they are indigenous to is the arabian peninsula. they are colonizers of the levant (and many other places).
Whatever you need to tell yourself.
well, there's this thing called history. plus its siblings archaeology and linguistics, etc.
So what would you say about Americans? Canadians? Brazilians? South Americans? Are they real?
check with history. she'll tell you.
There are many versions of history. The present should interest us humans the most.
Rare Jordan L. Feel like your passionate emotions clouding your judgment on this one
But this makes no difference to the conflict. In 1967 the lands of the West Bank and Gaza were inhabited foreign territory, not available for Israeli sovereignty and settlement by force.
And the other side says "90+% of Jews living in Israel have zero genetic history to the land of Palestine".
So round and round we go. No counter offers to my previous proposal? So lets spin our wheels and explain how "right our side is" rather that talking solutions.
Seriously. What would it take you to give up the west bank and Gaza and let Palestine exist as a true country?
1) No army. They are allowed police and sufficient arms for that role to be enforced. Israel gets to verify.
2) please fill in here your "paranoia list" (Paranoia is a good thing LOL)
https://i.postimg.cc/vZwdrB12/Paranoia-Keeping-Critter-Alive.png
Failure to meet any of these terms will result in being nuked. Palestine agrees to those terms. At that point everyone in the world has a vested interest in Palestine NOT doing anything stupid including the current sponsors of Hamas (intel agencies). They will keep them in line.
You come clean and admit what you have, open to independent international inspections and discuss limits with neighbours. Decide what you need to feel secure and stop attacking everyone preemptively. No to "You get to decide and not tell anyone". I can't sign treaties with someone who lies to me.