So apparently he deployed to Italy under Operation Enduring Freedom. It's not wrong, but it's a bit misleading on the part of the article since it doesn't mention Italy. I might think he went to Afghanistan if I didn't know better. But the video where he claims he carried a weapon in war is an egregious lie.
So apparently he deployed to Italy under Operation Enduring Freedom. It's not wrong, but it's a bit misleading on the part of the article since it doesn't mention Italy. I might think he went to Afghanistan if I didn't know better. But the video where he claims he carried a weapon in war is an egregious lie.
He 'was' in the Army, so, although he did not serve in an actual war action, he undoubtably carried a weapon of war, even though it was probably in Minnesota, or in training somewhere else here in the States or even Italy!
The context is a discussion about gun control. His point was that weapons of war belong with the military, not civilians. He isn't trying to embellish his service. He's trying make a political point.
Using the phrase - in war - is unusual. He was in the military. We were at war. He didn't say he faced combat.
I think ignoring context and calling that a lie, let alone an egregious lie, is flat wrong.
But, I get it, let's go after an honorably discharged soldier to score political points.
There was no mincing words. He said a weapon he carried in war. HeтАЩs not a sergeant major and he calls himself a retired command sergeant major. ItтАЩs not about politics - we call out any vets from any party. i.e. Republican J.R. Majewski who lied about his service. Stop defending these clowns that misrepresent their service.
He was an acting Command Sergeant Major. He held the position. He did the job. So, you want him to say less than he actually did because he retired with a lesser title. That's you forcing him to make his service appear lesser than it actually was. FYI Retirement is after service!
He was deployed IN WAR to Italy. No mincing words. That's English. I do believe they trained soldiers. I'll bet he carried weapons. You're projecting that he intended to deceive. Projection isn't enough to responsibly call anyone a liar. The true measure would be repeated attempts to deceive. You don't have that either.
If you support Trump, not only do you support a traitor, you support one of the biggest liars on Earth. He lied about the election and used that lie to try and overthrow a legally certified election. You took an oath to defend against that.
HeтАЩs not a sergeant major. He did not retain the rank because he did not do or complete the necessary schooling nor did he have the necessary time in rank. HeтАЩs a retired master sergeant. HeтАЩs completely misleading people. ItтАЩs deceptive.
тАЬDeployed in war to ItalyтАЭ??? lol ThatтАЩs your argument??? lol Italy is not a combat zone. Italy is a cush deployment. Nobody is carrying a weapon in Italy тАЬin warтАЭ or combat purposes. Just stop. YouтАЩre making a laughably ridiculous argument. There is no amount of spin that you say that will explain his comment or defend him. HeтАЩs a clown trying to inflate his service when itтАЩs not even necessary.
Benedict Arnold served right up until he didn't. Benedict Arnold's service means nothing now. He's just a traitor.
You're a political hack now. You follow a fucking traitor that tried to overthrow a legal, democratic election. As a veteran, you should know better. You took the oath. That's more than I did, but now you ignore the oath. Multiple convictions for Seditious Conspiracy damn well tell you it was an insurrection against America. You side with the traitors.
You ignore the Walz's actual rank during service and focus only on his rank after retiring. You pretend a political argument is some attempt to embellish his record. You pick at a one time choice of words. You ignore the very definition of a lie.
Do you think swift boating John Kerry was OK? He was a decorated soldier. He faced combat. The same person that swift boated Kerry is now trying to do the same to Walz.
Walz is infinitely superior to Trump in every way. He dedicated his life to service. In Congress, he served veterans. Trump dedicated his life to himself.
Remember when you believed Bush flying over Alabama in an obsolete military jet meant he served his country honorably??? And now you nitpick a DemocratтАЩs service?? Do you see a pattern??
I don't remember Bush embellishing and lying his military service. Did he embellish and lie about his service like Walz?? I do remember Dan Rather trying to discredit his service with fabricated documents. Do you see a pattern how the media treats politicians they don't like?? Can you try to make an intellectually honest argument?
IтАЩm happy Bush won in 2004 because he owns all of the asinine decisions he made in his first termтАжhad Kerry won he probably wouldтАЩve lost in 2008 and then Obama would never have become president. And America in 2018/19 was ObamaтАЩs America before Trump failed to prevent China from unleashing a bioweapon into America which ended the Obama peace and prosperity.
We all know shrub ducked Vietnam. We all know shrub was rich boy in the military. We all know bush, cheney, rice, etc lied. Just like we all know clinton, obama, biden, harris, etc lied. Now there is another liar running for vp. Hard to say who is more despicable.
It is part of what we are talking about. Bush ducked Vietnam and sent men to war when he refused to go to war himself. Walz will do the same if he is installed. To answer your question, no I don't think shrub lied or fabricated his military service. He did lie about weapons of mass destruction. Clinton lied. obama lied. biden lied and is lying. Trump probably lied about something. both parties are liars. Although I find the other wing of the same vulture, the republicans, to be slightly less despicable. This pretty well sums the matter up- https://www.theburningplatform.com/2024/08/04/everybody-knows-the-captain-lied/
You may get angry. You may disagree. In that case we can agree to disagree. And go in peace.
Lol, glad you concede Bush didn't fabricate or lie about his service. Bush didn't skip out on Vietnam from my understanding. He joined the NG to be a pilot so he wouldn't be drafted and he may have had some of daddy's help. I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if true. Anyway, I'm not defending Bush (I don't particularly care for him for the reason you said - lying to us into an unnecessary war), I'm just going by facts.
just to get the crayons out. I did say bush ducked Vietnam. I did offer reasonable proof that he did in fact duck serving in Vietnam. I never said in any way that bush fabricated or lied about his military service in the air national guard.
There is nothing for me to concede. If you read what I wrote I never said bush lied about or fabricated anything about his military service. Joining the Air national guard is good evidence that he did so to not only avoid being drafted but also to avoid going to Vietnam. Since bush had political ambitions, this was a good way to be in the military to get that ticket and not take wartime risks. As far as I know not one single guard unit deployed to Vietnam during the entire conflict.
He admitted he joined the guard as a pilot to avoid being drafted as a grunt. This was common. My step dad joined the reserves to avoid the draft. I don't fault him knowing Vietnam was a meat grinder. Look, I agree with you - it's very plausible and valid rationale to believe he did become a NG pilot to avoid Vietnam service. I wouldn't deny its plausible. But both you and I don't really know that for a fact. It's still an assumption. Its my understanding Bush volunteered for Vietnam but lacked the flight hours. This is all moot anyway. I already said I'm not defending him because I don't really care for him. We're not going to deflect away from Tim Walz. Tim Walz could have valid reasons why he chose not to deploy that we dont know but the fact is he intentionally lied and fabricating aspects of his military service.
Clinton, Trump, Biden, Blumenthal all ducked the draft. Walz ducked out of deployment leaving his men (he took a demotion to msg to keep from going) in the lurch.
Yet he used the fact he served a hot minute as SGM to help him in politics. ItтАЩs disgusting he hasnтАЩt been honest he is a MSG (E8) he is not a SGM (E9). He should be asked to see his retired id card each and every time! He lied.
Fact is he was anti bush, anti war, and there was no way he was going to Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere else. He bragged about getting more from the military than he gave!
There was no lie, democrats illegality used the money zuckerburg sent for electing integrity, for get out to vote. Sorry 2020 was rigged you guys will never care how much was spent to get people to vote.
In the end democrats are the traitors and all evils in American history has happened under the party of Jackson!
It's easy. Only Trump lied about election fraud and tried to overthrow a legally certified election.
There was a time when Americans valued the democratic process and peaceful transfer of power and thought it was more important than any political candidate.
So apparently he deployed to Italy under Operation Enduring Freedom. It's not wrong, but it's a bit misleading on the part of the article since it doesn't mention Italy. I might think he went to Afghanistan if I didn't know better. But the video where he claims he carried a weapon in war is an egregious lie.
He 'was' in the Army, so, although he did not serve in an actual war action, he undoubtably carried a weapon of war, even though it was probably in Minnesota, or in training somewhere else here in the States or even Italy!
The rest is 'stolen valor'!
He literally said he carried a weapon in war. He says it in the video.
No argument Alex! Missed that part, but knew it was logical that he had at least carried such in peace time.
Yep. And if he'd just said he carried that weapon as opposed to he carried it in war, there would be no issue.
Here it is: тАЬ....We can make sure those weapons of war, that I carried in war, are only carried in war,.....тАЭ Walz, 60, can be heard saying.
https://nypost.com/2024/08/08/us-news/tim-walz-falsely-claimed-he-carried-weapons-in-war-in-resurfaced-clip-absolutely-false/
The context is a discussion about gun control. His point was that weapons of war belong with the military, not civilians. He isn't trying to embellish his service. He's trying make a political point.
Using the phrase - in war - is unusual. He was in the military. We were at war. He didn't say he faced combat.
I think ignoring context and calling that a lie, let alone an egregious lie, is flat wrong.
But, I get it, let's go after an honorably discharged soldier to score political points.
There was no mincing words. He said a weapon he carried in war. HeтАЩs not a sergeant major and he calls himself a retired command sergeant major. ItтАЩs not about politics - we call out any vets from any party. i.e. Republican J.R. Majewski who lied about his service. Stop defending these clowns that misrepresent their service.
He was an acting Command Sergeant Major. He held the position. He did the job. So, you want him to say less than he actually did because he retired with a lesser title. That's you forcing him to make his service appear lesser than it actually was. FYI Retirement is after service!
He was deployed IN WAR to Italy. No mincing words. That's English. I do believe they trained soldiers. I'll bet he carried weapons. You're projecting that he intended to deceive. Projection isn't enough to responsibly call anyone a liar. The true measure would be repeated attempts to deceive. You don't have that either.
If you support Trump, not only do you support a traitor, you support one of the biggest liars on Earth. He lied about the election and used that lie to try and overthrow a legally certified election. You took an oath to defend against that.
HeтАЩs not a sergeant major. He did not retain the rank because he did not do or complete the necessary schooling nor did he have the necessary time in rank. HeтАЩs a retired master sergeant. HeтАЩs completely misleading people. ItтАЩs deceptive.
тАЬDeployed in war to ItalyтАЭ??? lol ThatтАЩs your argument??? lol Italy is not a combat zone. Italy is a cush deployment. Nobody is carrying a weapon in Italy тАЬin warтАЭ or combat purposes. Just stop. YouтАЩre making a laughably ridiculous argument. There is no amount of spin that you say that will explain his comment or defend him. HeтАЩs a clown trying to inflate his service when itтАЩs not even necessary.
Ok, traitor.
lol. I served 22 years. GTFO of here, clown.
Benedict Arnold served right up until he didn't. Benedict Arnold's service means nothing now. He's just a traitor.
You're a political hack now. You follow a fucking traitor that tried to overthrow a legal, democratic election. As a veteran, you should know better. You took the oath. That's more than I did, but now you ignore the oath. Multiple convictions for Seditious Conspiracy damn well tell you it was an insurrection against America. You side with the traitors.
You ignore the Walz's actual rank during service and focus only on his rank after retiring. You pretend a political argument is some attempt to embellish his record. You pick at a one time choice of words. You ignore the very definition of a lie.
Do you think swift boating John Kerry was OK? He was a decorated soldier. He faced combat. The same person that swift boated Kerry is now trying to do the same to Walz.
Walz is infinitely superior to Trump in every way. He dedicated his life to service. In Congress, he served veterans. Trump dedicated his life to himself.
IтАЩm sorry this triggered a mental episode. Please get help.
https://youtu.be/Qab007BtkDM?si=UqDCP2-FF9sh3wci
https://youtu.be/FkMWsO_-X7Y?si=uB9YsW49Cu5qmUsv
Ok, traitor
Please, take care of yourself.
https://www.nasmhpd.org/content/mental-health-links
Remember when you believed Bush flying over Alabama in an obsolete military jet meant he served his country honorably??? And now you nitpick a DemocratтАЩs service?? Do you see a pattern??
I don't remember Bush embellishing and lying his military service. Did he embellish and lie about his service like Walz?? I do remember Dan Rather trying to discredit his service with fabricated documents. Do you see a pattern how the media treats politicians they don't like?? Can you try to make an intellectually honest argument?
IтАЩm happy Bush won in 2004 because he owns all of the asinine decisions he made in his first termтАжhad Kerry won he probably wouldтАЩve lost in 2008 and then Obama would never have become president. And America in 2018/19 was ObamaтАЩs America before Trump failed to prevent China from unleashing a bioweapon into America which ended the Obama peace and prosperity.
We all know shrub ducked Vietnam. We all know shrub was rich boy in the military. We all know bush, cheney, rice, etc lied. Just like we all know clinton, obama, biden, harris, etc lied. Now there is another liar running for vp. Hard to say who is more despicable.
Ok, fine. But thats not what we're talking about. So can you point to where Bush lied or fabricated his military service like Walz??
It is part of what we are talking about. Bush ducked Vietnam and sent men to war when he refused to go to war himself. Walz will do the same if he is installed. To answer your question, no I don't think shrub lied or fabricated his military service. He did lie about weapons of mass destruction. Clinton lied. obama lied. biden lied and is lying. Trump probably lied about something. both parties are liars. Although I find the other wing of the same vulture, the republicans, to be slightly less despicable. This pretty well sums the matter up- https://www.theburningplatform.com/2024/08/04/everybody-knows-the-captain-lied/
You may get angry. You may disagree. In that case we can agree to disagree. And go in peace.
Lol, glad you concede Bush didn't fabricate or lie about his service. Bush didn't skip out on Vietnam from my understanding. He joined the NG to be a pilot so he wouldn't be drafted and he may have had some of daddy's help. I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if true. Anyway, I'm not defending Bush (I don't particularly care for him for the reason you said - lying to us into an unnecessary war), I'm just going by facts.
just to get the crayons out. I did say bush ducked Vietnam. I did offer reasonable proof that he did in fact duck serving in Vietnam. I never said in any way that bush fabricated or lied about his military service in the air national guard.
There is nothing for me to concede. If you read what I wrote I never said bush lied about or fabricated anything about his military service. Joining the Air national guard is good evidence that he did so to not only avoid being drafted but also to avoid going to Vietnam. Since bush had political ambitions, this was a good way to be in the military to get that ticket and not take wartime risks. As far as I know not one single guard unit deployed to Vietnam during the entire conflict.
He admitted he joined the guard as a pilot to avoid being drafted as a grunt. This was common. My step dad joined the reserves to avoid the draft. I don't fault him knowing Vietnam was a meat grinder. Look, I agree with you - it's very plausible and valid rationale to believe he did become a NG pilot to avoid Vietnam service. I wouldn't deny its plausible. But both you and I don't really know that for a fact. It's still an assumption. Its my understanding Bush volunteered for Vietnam but lacked the flight hours. This is all moot anyway. I already said I'm not defending him because I don't really care for him. We're not going to deflect away from Tim Walz. Tim Walz could have valid reasons why he chose not to deploy that we dont know but the fact is he intentionally lied and fabricating aspects of his military service.
Clinton, Trump, Biden, Blumenthal all ducked the draft. Walz ducked out of deployment leaving his men (he took a demotion to msg to keep from going) in the lurch.
Yet he used the fact he served a hot minute as SGM to help him in politics. ItтАЩs disgusting he hasnтАЩt been honest he is a MSG (E8) he is not a SGM (E9). He should be asked to see his retired id card each and every time! He lied.
Fact is he was anti bush, anti war, and there was no way he was going to Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere else. He bragged about getting more from the military than he gave!
He truly is disgusting.
Such faux outrage.
You must hate all Trump's lies. That traitor lied about election fraud so that he could overthrow a legally certified Presidential election.
Hey, who was the incompetent moron in charge of the country that let all the election fraud happen?
There was no lie, democrats illegality used the money zuckerburg sent for electing integrity, for get out to vote. Sorry 2020 was rigged you guys will never care how much was spent to get people to vote.
In the end democrats are the traitors and all evils in American history has happened under the party of Jackson!
It's easy. Only Trump lied about election fraud and tried to overthrow a legally certified election.
There was a time when Americans valued the democratic process and peaceful transfer of power and thought it was more important than any political candidate.
Where is Mike Pence?
You do not know that about Alex, unless you two folks know each other. Or the Pangolin in your Chow Mein is China Virus
I remembered BushтАЩs well practiced speech that sounded the death knell for Iraq after years of bumbling speeches that made many laugh at him.