The people of Gaza, according to their ostensible advocates, are not families and individuals, but pawns for a greater struggle, so they must be made into martyrs.
Whoa there! I am sure that America has already taken in more than its fair share of Hamas military men via its open border with Mexico, for which we can thank the Biden Regime.....
Jordan, without going completely down the conspiracy rabbit hole, I hope you might also consider (and question/investigate) that kibbutz’s around Gaza are also now ‘pawns’ for Israel and Western Military Arms Industry. I’m a full supporter of the State of Israel and right to defend itself. The slow reaction by IDF along Gaza wall however (was it 15 breaks? & reports that IDF was not staged at normal levels in Gaza region) — makes me at least speculate that this was allowed to happen, and at same time, have Hamas as a willing participant. Various reasons for this unsubstantiated speculation. Could be ploy to re-arm Israel strategic stockpile of US weaponry (which had become low due to its diversion to Ukraine conflict). This benefits Military Industrialists, in case Congress shuts down or slows arms to Ukraine. They now have a new outlet, Israel, to ‘funnel’ the arms to get to Ukraine. The other possible reason is to garner sympathy to Israel, amidst Saudi Arabia inching closer to formally recognizing Israel. Saudi’s gain ‘cover’ for doing so, so to speak, because sympathy to Israel over brutal Hamas murders. Domestic Israel, this event brings together a divided population against an old foe (amidst controversy over Supreme Court restructuring). So, there are ‘winners’ from this super sad tragedy all around. I saw how USA 9/11 was used to go after Iraq. I can’t unsee that USA lied about WMD. So for this case, something seems weird in a similar way. Maybe this is grasp at straws. Maybe not.
I’m a conservative. But I’m also a veteran, served in US wars and have lived in USA for 50 years. I’m Christian, w/ fondness for Jewish people and believe that what Hamas did was abhorrent and evil. All that said, I don’t think it’s unhealthy to question big picture things, especially after Covid. Especially after Iraq WMD lie.
I had a similar initial reaction. Israel doesn't make this kind of mistake. Netanyahu's brother was killed in the Entebbe raid. He himself was special forces. It's hard to believe he would sacrifice Jewish people for any reason, but his complicity in turning Israelis into lab rats for Pfizer is hard to understand. Most of the interviews I've seen of retired American intel officers are adamant this was a failure not a false flag. Hersh's article provides some context.
No, "false flag" is overused. These were not Israelis dressed up as Palestinians. They were real Hamas fighters out to kill Israelis. This is what you call a gambit. Israeli intelligence uses spys to get Hamas to think there is a golden opportunity to set up an attack, then let them carry it out. The defensive response is intentionally botched to gain maximum effect. Hamas got suckered in. Israel now has an excuse to clean out Gaza. Let's hope the American public doesn't get suckered into another Middle East war.
If it was a false flag, it will end the career of Netanyahu. That makes me doubtful of that line of reasoning. I could see forces within the IDF setting it up without approval. Even that is hard to accept. The cost was too high and will likely be uncovered.
Reporting I have been reading is, against advice, Bibi moved hundreds of troops to a different area leaving that border region vulnerable. This is why Hamas were able to overwhelm the local forces, potentially they had the intelligence of the movement and used it. Alternately, they could have flagged an intent to attack the area that Bibi moved the troops to in order to distract Israel from the real target and Shin Bet blew it.
There are far more liberals/democrats making excuses for radical Muslims than there are conservatives, and they have been doing so for decades.
If instead you are referring to the ‘conspiracy theorists’, then I would agree with you. I’ve seen quite a few different questionable theories, most without a shred of proof, on how this massacre was planned by Mossad and the CIA, or backed by the Rothschilds, and many others....
Most of these theories are more suitable for a spy novel than for reality......
Mark, it doesn’t have to be a full blown conspiracy theory for Israel to have foreknowledge of the likely Iran-funded Hamas attack, and then allow it to occur. Allow that to occur for multiple beneficial long term strategic reasons.
There are things to consider & question - instead of just opening your throat and swallowing what MSM feeds you.
Such as how this widespread (air, sea, land) Hamas planning went undetected by Mossad. Nor is it crazy to question how the Gaza wall was breached in some 15 spots, some w/ heavy machinery without Israel firing a shot. Nor is it nuts to question why the IDF did not respond to those breaches for ‘hours’ (some reports 4 to 5 hours).
It’s not just some voices in the West with these questions. There are a whole cadre of retired Israeli military and intelligence asking these questions.
Yeah, there is no proof at this time. Just speculation that this doesn’t smell right.
‘NETANYAHU IS FINISHED’ (excerpt) Seymour Hersh. The excerpt doesn’t even include a teaser, but the Hamas file rests squarely on Bibi’s desk... Here is the key material:
When he returned to office in 2009, the insider said, “Bibi chose to support Hamas” as an alternative to the Palestinian Authority, “and gave them money and established them in Gaza.”
An arrangement was made with Qatar, which began sending hundreds of millions of dollars to the Hamas leadership with Israeli approval. The insider told me that “Bibi was convinced that he would have more control over Hamas with the Qatari money—let them occasionally fire rockets into southern Israel and have access to jobs inside Israel—than he would with the Palestinian Authority. He took that risk….
The attack by Hamas was a direct result of a decision Bibi made, over the protest of local military commanders, “to allow a group of Orthodox settlers to celebrate Sukkot in the West Bank.” Sukkot is an annual fall holiday that commemorates the ancestral journey of Jews into the depths of the desert. It is a weeklong festival that is observed by building an outdoor temporary structure known as a sukkah in which all could share the food that their predecessors ate and viscerally connect to the harvest season. …
The Sukkot celebration, held near a Palestinian village known in Hebrew as Haware, would need extraordinary protection, given the tension over the latest violence, and the local Israeli military authorities, with the approval of Netanyahu, ordered two of the three Army battalions, each with about 800 soldiers, that protected the border with Gaza to shift their focus to the Sukkot festival.
“That left only eight hundred soldiers,” the insider told me, “to be responsible for guarding the 51-kilometer border between the Gaza Strip and southern Israel. That meant the Israeli citizens in the south were left without an Israeli military presence for ten to twelve hours. They were left to fend for themselves. And that is why Bibi is finished. May take a few months, but he is over.”
I opposed the Iraq War and my jaw dropped to the ground when Republicans in Congress voted Lizard Cheney into leadership in January 2019…but even I’m getting sick of this MIC nonsense! MIC creates solid jobs in America and Republicans have been extremely reckless and irresponsible with our military since 9/11…but the world is a very dangerous place!!
You know how I know none of this global chaos and destruction is an anomaly?? Are you familiar with Bob Dylan?? Do you know what “A Hard Rain’s A-Gonna Fall” is about?? He wrote it after randomly looking at microfiche in a library when he realized on pretty much every front page throughout history was about a war or major weather disaster or earthquake. It’s literally just an observation about how fucked up humanity is based on headlines from newspapers as long as they’ve been around.
Military Industrial Complex always plays a role. I’ll take you even further down the rabbit hole. Rumors of NatGas deposits off the coast of Gaza; if true why wouldn’t Iran finance development of this resource for the prosperity of all?
Killing the Jews and other non-believers is their stated #1 goal.
The wall was breached because Bibi the idiot moved 800 soldiers to another region to protect a different festival against advice. Leaving the area where the border was breached vulnerable.
"before there was a Palestine there was a Judea" - LMAO. That was when? Oh yea before the Romans crushed 2 uprisings (66 AD & 132 AD). Ain't been Judean for a long long long time.
So after 1800+ years they can still claim "It's ours"? Damn. That doesn't bode well as you've just given the natives in North America full rights. Be careful of the precedent you set LOL.
There was never a Palestine either. There were Arabs living there, for sure, but never as an independent people with their own government. They were people living under the Othoman Empire). And there were Jews living there too, BTW, though they were a minority.
So when the Jewish people wanted to have their own state, it made sense to go back to the land of their fathers, especially given there were already Jewish communities in Jerusalem, Sephad and a few other places.
At the time it was not very crowded and it was basically one of the many territories of the Othoman Empire where people of various ethnic origins lived.
And it's not like Jews had anywhere else to go, if they wanted their own state.
"They were people living under the Othoman Empire" - The British controlled it from WW1 to the end of WW2. The area was always under the control one empire or another, not the locals, since Roman times. The Balfour Declaration was 1917.
"So when the Jewish people wanted to have their own state, it made sense to go back to the land of their fathers" - The mid east in general and Palestine in particular is not the traditional or genetic home of 90+% of Jews that went there.
"And it's not like Jews had anywhere else to go" - The Zionists limited their choice to "Palestine only" causing the deaths of tons of Jews. The Zionists rejected the expulsion of Jews from Europe to Africa (not great but better than dying). The Zionist in Roosevelt's cabinet made sure that ship with 800+ Jewish escapees got sent back to Europe. The Zionists literally said "The old shall have to suffer their fate" because they were not needed for their Palestine project.
Well, it's hard to go into great historical detail in a comment on a substack thread.
You are correct that Brits ruled it in the time you mention, however when the first Jewish settlers came at the end of the 19th century it was under Ottoman rule.
There was indeed a plan by some people to settle Jews in Africa, specifically Uganda. But it's not exactly like no one lived in Uganda either, and I don't know if it would have gone any better.
No nation or people is 100% genetically related to each other and to a historical region, nonetheless people do have such a sense of identity. Personally I could do without it, but that seems to be a minority opinion in today's world.
The land was given to the children of Israel by God, and the deed is in scripture. Nevermind that they were removed from that land and taken into captivity for their sins. Neither native Americans, nor transplanted western Europeans have any such claim on the North American continent, but it is what it is.
Our natives in Canada, BC in particular because of lack of treaties, already claim rights over the entire land, since time immemorial [I am not aware of a written record, so it all depends on tribal elders' claims and memories]. The Jews have 5000 years of recorded stories so cannot claim "time immemorial."
With overlapping claims the tribes would own 300% of the land area. This feels similar to the situation in the artificial land of "Palestine."
I have noted the ongoing disinclination of Arab and Muslim countries to accept Palestinian refugees.
Nobody was “fooled”. All countries act in what they believe is their best interest. The West’s fondness for the Arabs is nothing new either. After Israel was granted statehood, the British helped (advised) the armies of 5 nations to invade. Fortunately they lost. Germany allowed Israeli athletes to get massacred at the Munich games in 1972. The Europeans and America fund Palestinian organizations which pay stipends to the families of incarcerated or dead terrorists. That’s not getting “fooled ”. That’s playing geopolitical games to curry favor with Muslim states, which are the real modern version of apartheid.
Tanto you bring up a good point. The West curried favor with the oil rich region. Why is the Biden administration throwing us back into chaos by restricting our domestic independent energy supply!?
Trump set us on a solution with The Abraham Accords and domestic energy export capacity.
Possible explanations are very disturbing like China benefitting from newly expanded Iranian oil production.
Biden is doing it to satisfy irrational hard Left climate nuts which includes numerous billionaire donors. They believe that Teslas and windmills are the answer to “climate crisis” which is based on fake science. Does it make any sense for the nation, no? But their agenda is “clean” energy. There isn’t enough reliability and energy density in solar and wind to supply the nation. The amount of mining and environmental damage to achieve what these bozos want is enormous and far worse than fossil fuels like natural gas and newer super clean coal plants which they hate. Mathematically their goals are unachievable in terms of cost, timeline, resource availability and in top of all that, there’s no benefit. Behind all that it’s a control mechanism and a trick to reduce our living standards. As David Horowitz says - inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.
You laid out all the facts in a pre Trump reality. Unfortunately due to some current US administration policies, we’ve been set back to a time when Middle East energy reserves are critical to world supplies and stability.
Hopefully two years from now we will be back on a sound national energy/ security policy.
Consider this: Sweden alone with a population of 8.5mn swedes and 3mn migrants and their offspring has donated - freely given without any demand for proof how the money is spent - annually more than all other arab nations put together to the plight of the palestinian arabs.
That's how much other arabs care. However, something not commonly known outside the arab world is this: palestinians have about the same status among other arabs as gypsies used to have.
They make a convenient excuse for Egypt, Saudi et c to attack the jews and their american allies, and that's about it.
Now, when the swedish parliament is debating cutting off aid to the palestinians to audit how the aid-money has been spent (about €50 000 000 annually has gone directly to Hamas, I'm shamed to report, thanks to our Socialist Democrat, Communist and feminist groups in parliament), palestinian and other arab and moslem pundits and "community leaders" in Sweden are threatening us: "If Sweden audits its donations and demands proof from Palestine, and cuts off the money, there will be trouble!" they say.
Threatening violence to the people of a nation who spends 3% and more of its annual GDP on migrants, foreign aid and who lets "refugees" live for free, all expenses paid, for unlimited time in said nation.
Jordan, this is correct. The idea of a Palestinian race or people is a fallacy. These are Arabs only and have been from the beginning. The hate organizations use them, as you have outlined, for the purpose of gaining wealth and prestige. The only reason the nefarious Palestinian movement exists is because of the credulity and complete and utter stupidity of certain people who cannot think their way out of a torn and wet paper bag. The ultimate question that you just asked cannot be answered by an inane Palestinian supporter. They can't admit that these ragged people are used as political pawns to gain support from the ill-schooled knuckleheads swimming among intelligent humans.
"The idea of a Palestinian race or people is a fallacy" - You people gotta stop quoting Golda Meir LOL.
Alan Hart was very good friends with her and during one interview she blurted that out. After Golda's funeral her long time aid & confidant (lady named Lou) pulled Alan Hart aside and told him that Golda had told her not to say anything until after she was gone. Golda said that as soon as she had said that she knew 2 things:
1) It was the stupidest thing she'd ever said
2) She could never go back on it.
Ya might wanna stop quoting that LOL. Just saying.
I was not quoting anyone. It is a fact that Palestine is a construct. They are not a separate race of people, but they are made up of various Arab nations. The truth is they are all Abraham's descendants.
Well you were in agreement with Golda's public statement during the interview and she admitted it was the stupidest thing she'd ever said.
Saying that "the Palestinian race or people is a fallacy" is like saying that about Jordanians, Iraqis, Saudis, etc, are They all have their own little tribal groups that have only the Arabic language in common. The Palestinians do exist as a distinct people within that group.
**LOOK—You have no idea what you are talking about.**
Here is a simple internet quote from a common search source reference everyone likes. Palestine has never been a people or a country; this little piece of land has been ruled by other nations for eons. If you ever find the time, research the subject other than quoting something you heard once". PALESTINE IS SIMPLY AN AREA!
"Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.
Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians, and Mamelukes.
From 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.
When World War I ended in 1918, the British took control of Palestine. The League of Nations issued a British mandate for Palestine—a document that gave Britain administrative control over the region and included provisions for establishing a Jewish national homeland in Palestine—which went into effect in 1923."
Do you understand? Palestine is a construct by The British Empire and is currently run by The Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization. Hamas and Hezbollah have infiltrated Palestine, or perhaps the Israelis helped set them up to be counter to their PLO about 30 years ago. The mistake was turning a blind eye to the terrorist element in these organizations, and now they are paying for it.
Dude, don't listen to the anti-Jew idiots. They are nothing but liars and full of shit. This region has a tremendous history that takes effort to figure out. Don't be an idiot and spew out shitty little comments that you have no knowledge; go educate yourself first.
All-Father Oden and his brothers fashioned the first man and the first woman from wood, and gave them life, wisdom and will.
From them sprung the three main tribes of humans: the fair-haired lordly ones, the red or brown hair fighting and working ones, and the black haired serf ones.
Seeing this, Heimdall the All-Seeing and All-Hearing travelled Midgård and begat children among all three tribes, thereby ensuring that all humans are of one family.
Thus it was told from time before human put chisel to stone.
It’s because Noah lived and died (Genesis 5 thru 9) before the Jewish line was established. Jewish race started under Jacob, in Genesis 32. Adam was also, not a Jew.
Adding further context. The promise to make a nation, the Jewish nation, began with Abraham. This man has a significant role in the Jewish and Christian faith. Noah lived before Abraham. You might know the event where God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac, the seed of the Jewish nation, not only to show his faith; But it also was a typical representation of what God was willing to do in the future, offering his own son Jesus, for the salvation of humanity. (The Christian view, Jews are still waiting for the seed to show up). This began the role of the Jewish nation to produce a seed to save humans from the sin of Eden.
Furthermore, the somewhat illegitimate son, Ishmael, was the son of Abraham's concubine Hagar, also spelled Agar. Ishmael was the beginning seed root of Islam. There is much more, too.
What if: All the know it all college students protesting Israel and lamenting the Palestinians went to Burning Man Event and were massacred by Native Americans. Would they die happily knowing that they died for DEI?
The great silent majority best start speaking up and use their peer group pressure to silence and educate these youngsters who profess great wisdom.
Comments from March 13, 1977 “in Holland, the newspaper Trouw ran an interview conducted by James Dorsey with Zuhayr Muhsin, head of As-Saiqa. Muhsin, although born in Tulkarm, headed this “Palestinian” terror outfit created by the same Syria that did not recognize “Palestine” as a separate country, and therefore the people in it had no national identity separate from “Syrian.” Muhsin said: There is no difference between Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity, because it is in the interest of the Arabs to encourage a separate Palestinian identity in contrast to Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is there only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new expedient to continue the fight against Zionism and for Arab unity.”
Not sure he was ever official Egyptian military, but his father was a member of the original muslim brotherhood. Arafat started the Fatah terror group in 1958, which merged under Soviet guidance in ‘64.
Al-Husseini spent WW2 in Berlin, buddies w/ Hitler and his henchmen broadcasting to Arab world ‘a holy war’ against Jews & Brit’s. He also lobbied Hitler to not allow Jews to immigrate from Germany to present day Israel. (Brits did the same in 1939 White Paper). This cat also tried to turn over Iraq to Hitler, but Brits stopped him. Al-Husseini fled to Cairo to escape war crimes following WW2 (Moslem Balkan Brigades he was behind)
It kills that my entire growing up (west coast USA education) that Arafats connective tissue to Nazism was never brought out in general media. I didn’t learn the connection until I was in college history courses.
Of course it wasn't - that would lead to people starting to unravel the long history of jew-hate among left-leaning academics, well before WW1 even got off the ground.
Marxists, since the end of WW2, cover their hatred of The Jew behind a mask of sympathising with the palestinians, all the while ignoring how said palestinians act, not only in Palestine proper but in every nation where they have been allowed to settle: murders, arsons and rapes against the native population in the name of Allah, and annual protest where they chant "Kill The Jew Wherever You Find Him" and other such slogans.
All over the West for the last week, arabs and other moslems have been out celebrating the massmurders. That tells everything we need to know about both arabs and those who sympathise with the palestinians.
What genocide? Through all of this Israel has never willingly targeted civilian population. Even though Hamas is hiding behind civilians and it's very hard to fight them in that situation.
Yes many civilians have died, which is inevitable when a terror organization strikes out from behind the cover of women and children.
What do you think would happen if the situation were reversed, and Hamas was stronger than the IDF? Then you would see a genocide. Just like what happened on Saturday, but on a national scale.
Hamas is not stronger than Israel, which is the entire point of their existence. Bibi encouraged and abetted their creation and growth, so if anything, he is responsible for all of this. He’s a disgrace to Israel and humanity in general. But justify away my friend…
Not quite sure what you're saying. Yeah they're not stronger than Israel which is a good thing or you would have seen an actual genocide.
As for Bibi he is horrible and I can't stand him, so if you think I support him or something you're way off.
Israel should have done more to work out a political solution and the settlements are definitely a problem. Maybe there was a chance for peace during the Oslo years and it was ruined when Rabin was assassinated. Now I don't know what the solution is. And yeah, it's a bad situation and Gazans and Palestinians in general should have a better life.
Nonetheless always denouncing Israel and supporting a horrible ISIS like organization like Hamas certainly are not the solution.
Exactly. We've all got to look out for our own national best interest and not get strong armed into one side otherwise we will get used as cannon fodder for them.
Theoretical civilians (aka women and children) in Gaza need to be filmed dying in gruesome fashion for the narrative. Especially after their men over-shot on the terrorism of theoretical civilians. The only way to put that crazy back in the can is to have injured and dead Gazan civilians in the news and on social media every single day until Israel becomes the villain in other-than rabid jihadi clans.
Watch for it. The 90% support will be 50% by the end of the month.
Regardless, is it all ‘just cover’ to buy time for US arms to speedily flow arms into Israel that can be used there, or laundered through Israel and up to Ukraine?
Israel’s ambitions extend beyond its immediate defense needs. The Director of Israel’s defense ministry has articulated a desire for the nation to become an AI “superpower” and to advance in autonomous warfare and combat decision-making. The exact financial commitment to this AI-driven revolution remains undisclosed.
The Arabs have turned their back on the Palestinians since the late 40's when they refused to arm them. The Arabs figured they'd win, claim the territory for themselves and screw the Palestinians. The PLO was purged from Jordan and eventually from Lebanon after destabilizing the situation in both. Arafat throwing his backing behind Saddam before "Gulf War 1" was the stupidest move I've ever seen a Palestinian leader do. Cost the Palestinians living in Kuwait and elsewhere their jobs and place to stay.
Sadat was very smart when he refused Gaza. "Those are not Egyptians. Why should they be my problem?" was his reasoning and it was accurate.
However the old Israeli position that "There are dozens of Arab countries. Why don't they move there?" is very weak. Their HOME is where they are. Palestine. It was theirs until they were driven out by the panic that ensued from the Stern Gang & Irgun mass murdering whole villages of old men, women & children (wait until all the young men left for work and then attack).
If you want the Arab countries to solve YOUR PROBLEM then what are you offering in return? 5 cantons with all access controlled like that one joke of an offer? It will have to a real country for Palestinians.
Here is my opening position. Everyone will feel the pain because they will have to give up that which they value most.
1) The Palestinians will give up the right to return, recognize Israel and keep their side of the border demilitarized and safe. The Israelis can mine their side if they want.
2) The Israelis will come clean about their nuclear weapons program and open up to international inspections. This will hurt and cost $3 billion a year in aid because the US law doesn't allow foreign aid to nuclear countries.
3) After that it is land swaps for the NE illegal settlements and Gaza. Palestine gets one contiguous area of land and Israel gets the ocean front.
4) Jerusalem will be the capital of both countries. Run by the elected mayor with an international force to secure it.
Palestine and the palestinians have been given more than 14 times the entirety of the Marshall plan in foreign aid since the 1960s.
They could have been one of the most prosperous nations in the area, instead they chose to try and exterminate the jews, and the palestinian leaders such as Arafat chose to put the aid money in bank accounts in other nations - mrs Arafat became one of the richest 1% of women in the world when her husband died.
The palestinians deserve no more sympathy than the germans who elected Hitler.
Here's my counter offer: the Arabs get removed to their countries. They aren't getting Ariel and Elon Moreh and Yitzhar and Kdumim. You call them "illegal settlements". I call them my neighborhood. So screw you.
‘Al-Aqsa Flood’: The surprise is that some are surprised -- The cry for Al-Aqsa resonated across the entire Islamic sphere. Why did the West not get it? -- Oct. 8, 2023
Seymour Hersh – Oct. 12, 2023 – Netanyahu is Finished -- The Bibi doctrine—his belief that he could control Hamas—compromised Israeli security and has now begat a bloody war
While they're at it why not blow up that mosque and rebuild their temple? Then they could achieve the impossible. They'd unite Arabs, Turks, Persians, Africans, Sunnis & Shia. Groups that would just as soon kill each other would all attack you and Israels nukes would not stop them.
The religious nutters in the Jewish world have twice tried to blow it up and were caught both times by Israeli security (thank god). How long before they are allowed to succeed?
Crooke is an idiot. There would never be a serious plan to demolish Al-Aqsa by Israel, they know this would enflame the entire region, pouring gasoline into the fire. Hamas surely knows this too.
Why have no other Arab countries come to their aid. Obviuosly they don't care. The whole thing is sad since 1948. The Arab states should have left Israel alone from day 1 and found homes for the 650,000 displaced Muslims in Palestine. The surrounding Arab countires threw the Jews out of all their countries after 1948 but Israel was able to relocate the thousands in Israel. Anti-semitism, here since the days of Constantine, will never end.(everyone else needs a Jewish scapegoat).
Egypt has already warned they won't have them. In fact talks of making Gaza and its people Egyptian have happened in the past. They were not interested.
BTW Israel has now ordered people in the north of Gaza to move to the south in 24 hours so they won't be hurt during a ground invasion. Guess what? The UN is protesting it.
Don’t worry, they will all get imported to America and Europe.
Whoa there! I am sure that America has already taken in more than its fair share of Hamas military men via its open border with Mexico, for which we can thank the Biden Regime.....
Yep. Lucky us. 😖🤢🤬
Nothing new here. The Gaza residents are disposable pawns in the struggle to eliminate the Jews.
The tragedy is how the west is fooled again, and again to sympathize with the plight of the Gaza residents after Israel retaliates.
Remember before there was a Palestine there was a Judea. So stop whining about the plight of the “Palestinians”.
Expand your horizon and educate yourself on the long, long history of the Middle East.
Jordan, without going completely down the conspiracy rabbit hole, I hope you might also consider (and question/investigate) that kibbutz’s around Gaza are also now ‘pawns’ for Israel and Western Military Arms Industry. I’m a full supporter of the State of Israel and right to defend itself. The slow reaction by IDF along Gaza wall however (was it 15 breaks? & reports that IDF was not staged at normal levels in Gaza region) — makes me at least speculate that this was allowed to happen, and at same time, have Hamas as a willing participant. Various reasons for this unsubstantiated speculation. Could be ploy to re-arm Israel strategic stockpile of US weaponry (which had become low due to its diversion to Ukraine conflict). This benefits Military Industrialists, in case Congress shuts down or slows arms to Ukraine. They now have a new outlet, Israel, to ‘funnel’ the arms to get to Ukraine. The other possible reason is to garner sympathy to Israel, amidst Saudi Arabia inching closer to formally recognizing Israel. Saudi’s gain ‘cover’ for doing so, so to speak, because sympathy to Israel over brutal Hamas murders. Domestic Israel, this event brings together a divided population against an old foe (amidst controversy over Supreme Court restructuring). So, there are ‘winners’ from this super sad tragedy all around. I saw how USA 9/11 was used to go after Iraq. I can’t unsee that USA lied about WMD. So for this case, something seems weird in a similar way. Maybe this is grasp at straws. Maybe not.
I find it interesting how many "conservatives" endlessly make excuses for Muslims.
Now they are blaming the CIA for the massacre in Israel, giving the Muslims
another pass.
They are so busy hating on our own government that they refuse to see that we have both internal AND external enemies, and you don't ignore one to
fight the other.
I’m a conservative. But I’m also a veteran, served in US wars and have lived in USA for 50 years. I’m Christian, w/ fondness for Jewish people and believe that what Hamas did was abhorrent and evil. All that said, I don’t think it’s unhealthy to question big picture things, especially after Covid. Especially after Iraq WMD lie.
I had a similar initial reaction. Israel doesn't make this kind of mistake. Netanyahu's brother was killed in the Entebbe raid. He himself was special forces. It's hard to believe he would sacrifice Jewish people for any reason, but his complicity in turning Israelis into lab rats for Pfizer is hard to understand. Most of the interviews I've seen of retired American intel officers are adamant this was a failure not a false flag. Hersh's article provides some context.
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/netanyahu-is-finished?r=a08we&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&fbclid=IwAR3gP9ZUcWNkj1EMN32ooGPluzdvJ6_Tu6cxMC7WwI_HAAzyRC2YlAnHy0I
It might be a failure but it's really hard to not see it as a false flag event.
No, "false flag" is overused. These were not Israelis dressed up as Palestinians. They were real Hamas fighters out to kill Israelis. This is what you call a gambit. Israeli intelligence uses spys to get Hamas to think there is a golden opportunity to set up an attack, then let them carry it out. The defensive response is intentionally botched to gain maximum effect. Hamas got suckered in. Israel now has an excuse to clean out Gaza. Let's hope the American public doesn't get suckered into another Middle East war.
If it was a false flag, it will end the career of Netanyahu. That makes me doubtful of that line of reasoning. I could see forces within the IDF setting it up without approval. Even that is hard to accept. The cost was too high and will likely be uncovered.
Reporting I have been reading is, against advice, Bibi moved hundreds of troops to a different area leaving that border region vulnerable. This is why Hamas were able to overwhelm the local forces, potentially they had the intelligence of the movement and used it. Alternately, they could have flagged an intent to attack the area that Bibi moved the troops to in order to distract Israel from the real target and Shin Bet blew it.
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/netanyahu-is-finished?r=a08we&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&fbclid=IwAR3gP9ZUcWNkj1EMN32ooGPluzdvJ6_Tu6cxMC7WwI_HAAzyRC2YlAnHy0I
There are far more liberals/democrats making excuses for radical Muslims than there are conservatives, and they have been doing so for decades.
If instead you are referring to the ‘conspiracy theorists’, then I would agree with you. I’ve seen quite a few different questionable theories, most without a shred of proof, on how this massacre was planned by Mossad and the CIA, or backed by the Rothschilds, and many others....
Most of these theories are more suitable for a spy novel than for reality......
Mark, it doesn’t have to be a full blown conspiracy theory for Israel to have foreknowledge of the likely Iran-funded Hamas attack, and then allow it to occur. Allow that to occur for multiple beneficial long term strategic reasons.
There are things to consider & question - instead of just opening your throat and swallowing what MSM feeds you.
Such as how this widespread (air, sea, land) Hamas planning went undetected by Mossad. Nor is it crazy to question how the Gaza wall was breached in some 15 spots, some w/ heavy machinery without Israel firing a shot. Nor is it nuts to question why the IDF did not respond to those breaches for ‘hours’ (some reports 4 to 5 hours).
It’s not just some voices in the West with these questions. There are a whole cadre of retired Israeli military and intelligence asking these questions.
Yeah, there is no proof at this time. Just speculation that this doesn’t smell right.
Geller Report has a thorough explanation of the surprise attack and how it happened. They really were caught off guard.
Reposting from Naked Capitalism:
‘NETANYAHU IS FINISHED’ (excerpt) Seymour Hersh. The excerpt doesn’t even include a teaser, but the Hamas file rests squarely on Bibi’s desk... Here is the key material:
When he returned to office in 2009, the insider said, “Bibi chose to support Hamas” as an alternative to the Palestinian Authority, “and gave them money and established them in Gaza.”
An arrangement was made with Qatar, which began sending hundreds of millions of dollars to the Hamas leadership with Israeli approval. The insider told me that “Bibi was convinced that he would have more control over Hamas with the Qatari money—let them occasionally fire rockets into southern Israel and have access to jobs inside Israel—than he would with the Palestinian Authority. He took that risk….
The attack by Hamas was a direct result of a decision Bibi made, over the protest of local military commanders, “to allow a group of Orthodox settlers to celebrate Sukkot in the West Bank.” Sukkot is an annual fall holiday that commemorates the ancestral journey of Jews into the depths of the desert. It is a weeklong festival that is observed by building an outdoor temporary structure known as a sukkah in which all could share the food that their predecessors ate and viscerally connect to the harvest season. …
The Sukkot celebration, held near a Palestinian village known in Hebrew as Haware, would need extraordinary protection, given the tension over the latest violence, and the local Israeli military authorities, with the approval of Netanyahu, ordered two of the three Army battalions, each with about 800 soldiers, that protected the border with Gaza to shift their focus to the Sukkot festival.
“That left only eight hundred soldiers,” the insider told me, “to be responsible for guarding the 51-kilometer border between the Gaza Strip and southern Israel. That meant the Israeli citizens in the south were left without an Israeli military presence for ten to twelve hours. They were left to fend for themselves. And that is why Bibi is finished. May take a few months, but he is over.”
I opposed the Iraq War and my jaw dropped to the ground when Republicans in Congress voted Lizard Cheney into leadership in January 2019…but even I’m getting sick of this MIC nonsense! MIC creates solid jobs in America and Republicans have been extremely reckless and irresponsible with our military since 9/11…but the world is a very dangerous place!!
You know how I know none of this global chaos and destruction is an anomaly?? Are you familiar with Bob Dylan?? Do you know what “A Hard Rain’s A-Gonna Fall” is about?? He wrote it after randomly looking at microfiche in a library when he realized on pretty much every front page throughout history was about a war or major weather disaster or earthquake. It’s literally just an observation about how fucked up humanity is based on headlines from newspapers as long as they’ve been around.
Military Industrial Complex always plays a role. I’ll take you even further down the rabbit hole. Rumors of NatGas deposits off the coast of Gaza; if true why wouldn’t Iran finance development of this resource for the prosperity of all?
Killing the Jews and other non-believers is their stated #1 goal.
The wall was breached because Bibi the idiot moved 800 soldiers to another region to protect a different festival against advice. Leaving the area where the border was breached vulnerable.
"before there was a Palestine there was a Judea" - LMAO. That was when? Oh yea before the Romans crushed 2 uprisings (66 AD & 132 AD). Ain't been Judean for a long long long time.
So after 1800+ years they can still claim "It's ours"? Damn. That doesn't bode well as you've just given the natives in North America full rights. Be careful of the precedent you set LOL.
There was never a Palestine either. There were Arabs living there, for sure, but never as an independent people with their own government. They were people living under the Othoman Empire). And there were Jews living there too, BTW, though they were a minority.
So when the Jewish people wanted to have their own state, it made sense to go back to the land of their fathers, especially given there were already Jewish communities in Jerusalem, Sephad and a few other places.
At the time it was not very crowded and it was basically one of the many territories of the Othoman Empire where people of various ethnic origins lived.
And it's not like Jews had anywhere else to go, if they wanted their own state.
"They were people living under the Othoman Empire" - The British controlled it from WW1 to the end of WW2. The area was always under the control one empire or another, not the locals, since Roman times. The Balfour Declaration was 1917.
"So when the Jewish people wanted to have their own state, it made sense to go back to the land of their fathers" - The mid east in general and Palestine in particular is not the traditional or genetic home of 90+% of Jews that went there.
"And it's not like Jews had anywhere else to go" - The Zionists limited their choice to "Palestine only" causing the deaths of tons of Jews. The Zionists rejected the expulsion of Jews from Europe to Africa (not great but better than dying). The Zionist in Roosevelt's cabinet made sure that ship with 800+ Jewish escapees got sent back to Europe. The Zionists literally said "The old shall have to suffer their fate" because they were not needed for their Palestine project.
https://i.postimg.cc/yNCtG8jk/Palestine-1897-Present.jpg
Well, it's hard to go into great historical detail in a comment on a substack thread.
You are correct that Brits ruled it in the time you mention, however when the first Jewish settlers came at the end of the 19th century it was under Ottoman rule.
There was indeed a plan by some people to settle Jews in Africa, specifically Uganda. But it's not exactly like no one lived in Uganda either, and I don't know if it would have gone any better.
No nation or people is 100% genetically related to each other and to a historical region, nonetheless people do have such a sense of identity. Personally I could do without it, but that seems to be a minority opinion in today's world.
The land was given to the children of Israel by God, and the deed is in scripture. Nevermind that they were removed from that land and taken into captivity for their sins. Neither native Americans, nor transplanted western Europeans have any such claim on the North American continent, but it is what it is.
If the natives had nuclear weapons you might be inclined to negotiate a coexistence.
Our natives in Canada, BC in particular because of lack of treaties, already claim rights over the entire land, since time immemorial [I am not aware of a written record, so it all depends on tribal elders' claims and memories]. The Jews have 5000 years of recorded stories so cannot claim "time immemorial."
With overlapping claims the tribes would own 300% of the land area. This feels similar to the situation in the artificial land of "Palestine."
I have noted the ongoing disinclination of Arab and Muslim countries to accept Palestinian refugees.
Nobody was “fooled”. All countries act in what they believe is their best interest. The West’s fondness for the Arabs is nothing new either. After Israel was granted statehood, the British helped (advised) the armies of 5 nations to invade. Fortunately they lost. Germany allowed Israeli athletes to get massacred at the Munich games in 1972. The Europeans and America fund Palestinian organizations which pay stipends to the families of incarcerated or dead terrorists. That’s not getting “fooled ”. That’s playing geopolitical games to curry favor with Muslim states, which are the real modern version of apartheid.
Tanto you bring up a good point. The West curried favor with the oil rich region. Why is the Biden administration throwing us back into chaos by restricting our domestic independent energy supply!?
Trump set us on a solution with The Abraham Accords and domestic energy export capacity.
Possible explanations are very disturbing like China benefitting from newly expanded Iranian oil production.
Biden is doing it to satisfy irrational hard Left climate nuts which includes numerous billionaire donors. They believe that Teslas and windmills are the answer to “climate crisis” which is based on fake science. Does it make any sense for the nation, no? But their agenda is “clean” energy. There isn’t enough reliability and energy density in solar and wind to supply the nation. The amount of mining and environmental damage to achieve what these bozos want is enormous and far worse than fossil fuels like natural gas and newer super clean coal plants which they hate. Mathematically their goals are unachievable in terms of cost, timeline, resource availability and in top of all that, there’s no benefit. Behind all that it’s a control mechanism and a trick to reduce our living standards. As David Horowitz says - inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.
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You laid out all the facts in a pre Trump reality. Unfortunately due to some current US administration policies, we’ve been set back to a time when Middle East energy reserves are critical to world supplies and stability.
Hopefully two years from now we will be back on a sound national energy/ security policy.
Consider this: Sweden alone with a population of 8.5mn swedes and 3mn migrants and their offspring has donated - freely given without any demand for proof how the money is spent - annually more than all other arab nations put together to the plight of the palestinian arabs.
That's how much other arabs care. However, something not commonly known outside the arab world is this: palestinians have about the same status among other arabs as gypsies used to have.
They make a convenient excuse for Egypt, Saudi et c to attack the jews and their american allies, and that's about it.
Now, when the swedish parliament is debating cutting off aid to the palestinians to audit how the aid-money has been spent (about €50 000 000 annually has gone directly to Hamas, I'm shamed to report, thanks to our Socialist Democrat, Communist and feminist groups in parliament), palestinian and other arab and moslem pundits and "community leaders" in Sweden are threatening us: "If Sweden audits its donations and demands proof from Palestine, and cuts off the money, there will be trouble!" they say.
Threatening violence to the people of a nation who spends 3% and more of its annual GDP on migrants, foreign aid and who lets "refugees" live for free, all expenses paid, for unlimited time in said nation.
This is how the arab thanks you.
Don’t forget the raping and grooming.
3 choices
1 convert to Islam.
2 become a slave
3 be killed.
Help us and you can live free ain't a choice.
The snake is gna bite you.
Don’t forget your new national sport: bombing shit. And yet the virtuous Swedes accept their violent invasion so gracefully. Suicide of the West.
Not bloody likely to, am I?
To the surprise of no-one, the Socialist Democrat party and their supporting parties are blaming the Sweden Democrats for everything.
As in, they are blaming the one party that's never been in any governement coalition until last year.
Amazingly, a lot of people are buying it simply because state & regime loyal media is banging the drums for that message to become true.
The only solution for us, and Germany, Netherlands, France, Britain and others is this:
Ethnic cleansing.
I don’t think there’s an historical precedent for what the West is doing to itself.
We all owe them. According to them.
Jordan, this is correct. The idea of a Palestinian race or people is a fallacy. These are Arabs only and have been from the beginning. The hate organizations use them, as you have outlined, for the purpose of gaining wealth and prestige. The only reason the nefarious Palestinian movement exists is because of the credulity and complete and utter stupidity of certain people who cannot think their way out of a torn and wet paper bag. The ultimate question that you just asked cannot be answered by an inane Palestinian supporter. They can't admit that these ragged people are used as political pawns to gain support from the ill-schooled knuckleheads swimming among intelligent humans.
"The idea of a Palestinian race or people is a fallacy" - You people gotta stop quoting Golda Meir LOL.
Alan Hart was very good friends with her and during one interview she blurted that out. After Golda's funeral her long time aid & confidant (lady named Lou) pulled Alan Hart aside and told him that Golda had told her not to say anything until after she was gone. Golda said that as soon as she had said that she knew 2 things:
1) It was the stupidest thing she'd ever said
2) She could never go back on it.
Ya might wanna stop quoting that LOL. Just saying.
I was not quoting anyone. It is a fact that Palestine is a construct. They are not a separate race of people, but they are made up of various Arab nations. The truth is they are all Abraham's descendants.
Well you were in agreement with Golda's public statement during the interview and she admitted it was the stupidest thing she'd ever said.
Saying that "the Palestinian race or people is a fallacy" is like saying that about Jordanians, Iraqis, Saudis, etc, are They all have their own little tribal groups that have only the Arabic language in common. The Palestinians do exist as a distinct people within that group.
**LOOK—You have no idea what you are talking about.**
Here is a simple internet quote from a common search source reference everyone likes. Palestine has never been a people or a country; this little piece of land has been ruled by other nations for eons. If you ever find the time, research the subject other than quoting something you heard once". PALESTINE IS SIMPLY AN AREA!
"Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.
Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians, and Mamelukes.
From 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.
When World War I ended in 1918, the British took control of Palestine. The League of Nations issued a British mandate for Palestine—a document that gave Britain administrative control over the region and included provisions for establishing a Jewish national homeland in Palestine—which went into effect in 1923."
Do you understand? Palestine is a construct by The British Empire and is currently run by The Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization. Hamas and Hezbollah have infiltrated Palestine, or perhaps the Israelis helped set them up to be counter to their PLO about 30 years ago. The mistake was turning a blind eye to the terrorist element in these organizations, and now they are paying for it.
Dude, don't listen to the anti-Jew idiots. They are nothing but liars and full of shit. This region has a tremendous history that takes effort to figure out. Don't be an idiot and spew out shitty little comments that you have no knowledge; go educate yourself first.
As are all of us (descendants of Abraham). Noah wasn’t a Jew, nor am I, but we all come from the Lord’s root, including Arabs.
No we don't.
All-Father Oden and his brothers fashioned the first man and the first woman from wood, and gave them life, wisdom and will.
From them sprung the three main tribes of humans: the fair-haired lordly ones, the red or brown hair fighting and working ones, and the black haired serf ones.
Seeing this, Heimdall the All-Seeing and All-Hearing travelled Midgård and begat children among all three tribes, thereby ensuring that all humans are of one family.
Thus it was told from time before human put chisel to stone.
How did you determine Noah was not a Jew?
It’s because Noah lived and died (Genesis 5 thru 9) before the Jewish line was established. Jewish race started under Jacob, in Genesis 32. Adam was also, not a Jew.
https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/qa-archives/question/was-noah-jewish/
Adding further context. The promise to make a nation, the Jewish nation, began with Abraham. This man has a significant role in the Jewish and Christian faith. Noah lived before Abraham. You might know the event where God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac, the seed of the Jewish nation, not only to show his faith; But it also was a typical representation of what God was willing to do in the future, offering his own son Jesus, for the salvation of humanity. (The Christian view, Jews are still waiting for the seed to show up). This began the role of the Jewish nation to produce a seed to save humans from the sin of Eden.
Furthermore, the somewhat illegitimate son, Ishmael, was the son of Abraham's concubine Hagar, also spelled Agar. Ishmael was the beginning seed root of Islam. There is much more, too.
What if: All the know it all college students protesting Israel and lamenting the Palestinians went to Burning Man Event and were massacred by Native Americans. Would they die happily knowing that they died for DEI?
The great silent majority best start speaking up and use their peer group pressure to silence and educate these youngsters who profess great wisdom.
Yes, I think they would be glad. They already happily martyr themselves to gratify street gangs and Pharma.
Pharma martyr's lmao !
Comments from March 13, 1977 “in Holland, the newspaper Trouw ran an interview conducted by James Dorsey with Zuhayr Muhsin, head of As-Saiqa. Muhsin, although born in Tulkarm, headed this “Palestinian” terror outfit created by the same Syria that did not recognize “Palestine” as a separate country, and therefore the people in it had no national identity separate from “Syrian.” Muhsin said: There is no difference between Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity, because it is in the interest of the Arabs to encourage a separate Palestinian identity in contrast to Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is there only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new expedient to continue the fight against Zionism and for Arab unity.”
From Phantom Nation by Sha’i ben Tekoa
Arafat was an Egyptian military officer recruited by the KGB to form the PLO.
Not sure he was ever official Egyptian military, but his father was a member of the original muslim brotherhood. Arafat started the Fatah terror group in 1958, which merged under Soviet guidance in ‘64.
He was.
Haj Amin Al-Husseini (grand mufti of Jerusalem) was Ararat’s mentor, and indoctrinated Arafat hate towards Israel.:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
Al-Husseini spent WW2 in Berlin, buddies w/ Hitler and his henchmen broadcasting to Arab world ‘a holy war’ against Jews & Brit’s. He also lobbied Hitler to not allow Jews to immigrate from Germany to present day Israel. (Brits did the same in 1939 White Paper). This cat also tried to turn over Iraq to Hitler, but Brits stopped him. Al-Husseini fled to Cairo to escape war crimes following WW2 (Moslem Balkan Brigades he was behind)
He was also Arafat's uncle.
It kills that my entire growing up (west coast USA education) that Arafats connective tissue to Nazism was never brought out in general media. I didn’t learn the connection until I was in college history courses.
Of course it wasn't - that would lead to people starting to unravel the long history of jew-hate among left-leaning academics, well before WW1 even got off the ground.
Marxists, since the end of WW2, cover their hatred of The Jew behind a mask of sympathising with the palestinians, all the while ignoring how said palestinians act, not only in Palestine proper but in every nation where they have been allowed to settle: murders, arsons and rapes against the native population in the name of Allah, and annual protest where they chant "Kill The Jew Wherever You Find Him" and other such slogans.
All over the West for the last week, arabs and other moslems have been out celebrating the massmurders. That tells everything we need to know about both arabs and those who sympathise with the palestinians.
Wow, justifying a genocide before our very eyes because no one would take them? I figured there was a neocon in there somewhere...
What genocide? Through all of this Israel has never willingly targeted civilian population. Even though Hamas is hiding behind civilians and it's very hard to fight them in that situation.
Yes many civilians have died, which is inevitable when a terror organization strikes out from behind the cover of women and children.
What do you think would happen if the situation were reversed, and Hamas was stronger than the IDF? Then you would see a genocide. Just like what happened on Saturday, but on a national scale.
Hamas is not stronger than Israel, which is the entire point of their existence. Bibi encouraged and abetted their creation and growth, so if anything, he is responsible for all of this. He’s a disgrace to Israel and humanity in general. But justify away my friend…
Not quite sure what you're saying. Yeah they're not stronger than Israel which is a good thing or you would have seen an actual genocide.
As for Bibi he is horrible and I can't stand him, so if you think I support him or something you're way off.
Israel should have done more to work out a political solution and the settlements are definitely a problem. Maybe there was a chance for peace during the Oslo years and it was ruined when Rabin was assassinated. Now I don't know what the solution is. And yeah, it's a bad situation and Gazans and Palestinians in general should have a better life.
Nonetheless always denouncing Israel and supporting a horrible ISIS like organization like Hamas certainly are not the solution.
Open your house
Yep, the Arab states against Israel will fight to the last Gazan.
Sort of like the USA fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian (and Finn, Balt, etc)?
Exactly. We've all got to look out for our own national best interest and not get strong armed into one side otherwise we will get used as cannon fodder for them.
Theoretical civilians (aka women and children) in Gaza need to be filmed dying in gruesome fashion for the narrative. Especially after their men over-shot on the terrorism of theoretical civilians. The only way to put that crazy back in the can is to have injured and dead Gazan civilians in the news and on social media every single day until Israel becomes the villain in other-than rabid jihadi clans.
Watch for it. The 90% support will be 50% by the end of the month.
Regardless, is it all ‘just cover’ to buy time for US arms to speedily flow arms into Israel that can be used there, or laundered through Israel and up to Ukraine?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/politics/us-weapons-stockpiles-ukraine-israel/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/us/politics/ukraine-israel-weapons.html
A simpler way to thing of the people in Gaza: CATTLE FOR THE SLAUGHTER
Prove me wrong...
Hello ... here is one I had not heard until I listened to this podcast: AI
Israel is incorporating AI into their defenses ... $38 billion project and helped by US.
Supposed to be super-effective ... AI with minimal human oversight ...
Has anyone heard ANYONE mention it? Sounds like a MASSIVE INTENTIONAL FU!!!
It was being called “amazing”, super-fast ... blah blah blah ...
From an article:
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/israel-s-advanced-ai-integration-and-us-funding-highlighted-amidst-ongoing-conflict/ar-AA1hVlIs
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Israel’s ambitions extend beyond its immediate defense needs. The Director of Israel’s defense ministry has articulated a desire for the nation to become an AI “superpower” and to advance in autonomous warfare and combat decision-making. The exact financial commitment to this AI-driven revolution remains undisclosed.
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David Dubyne (adapt2030) and Ransom Godwin
https://rumble.com/v3ox03o-miac-live-voices-of-revelations-101223.html
Kinda hoping you’re proven right.
Wow that’s an awful sentiment
It’s Judgment not sentiment.
Time to close this account.
Yes, we’re paying for Gaza and HAMAS too.
The Palestinian identity was created in the UN camps, the UN is the USA.
This is all yet another Op that went Boom 💥.
The Arabs have turned their back on the Palestinians since the late 40's when they refused to arm them. The Arabs figured they'd win, claim the territory for themselves and screw the Palestinians. The PLO was purged from Jordan and eventually from Lebanon after destabilizing the situation in both. Arafat throwing his backing behind Saddam before "Gulf War 1" was the stupidest move I've ever seen a Palestinian leader do. Cost the Palestinians living in Kuwait and elsewhere their jobs and place to stay.
Sadat was very smart when he refused Gaza. "Those are not Egyptians. Why should they be my problem?" was his reasoning and it was accurate.
However the old Israeli position that "There are dozens of Arab countries. Why don't they move there?" is very weak. Their HOME is where they are. Palestine. It was theirs until they were driven out by the panic that ensued from the Stern Gang & Irgun mass murdering whole villages of old men, women & children (wait until all the young men left for work and then attack).
If you want the Arab countries to solve YOUR PROBLEM then what are you offering in return? 5 cantons with all access controlled like that one joke of an offer? It will have to a real country for Palestinians.
Here is my opening position. Everyone will feel the pain because they will have to give up that which they value most.
1) The Palestinians will give up the right to return, recognize Israel and keep their side of the border demilitarized and safe. The Israelis can mine their side if they want.
2) The Israelis will come clean about their nuclear weapons program and open up to international inspections. This will hurt and cost $3 billion a year in aid because the US law doesn't allow foreign aid to nuclear countries.
3) After that it is land swaps for the NE illegal settlements and Gaza. Palestine gets one contiguous area of land and Israel gets the ocean front.
4) Jerusalem will be the capital of both countries. Run by the elected mayor with an international force to secure it.
Make me a counter offer.
Palestine and the palestinians have been given more than 14 times the entirety of the Marshall plan in foreign aid since the 1960s.
They could have been one of the most prosperous nations in the area, instead they chose to try and exterminate the jews, and the palestinian leaders such as Arafat chose to put the aid money in bank accounts in other nations - mrs Arafat became one of the richest 1% of women in the world when her husband died.
The palestinians deserve no more sympathy than the germans who elected Hitler.
Here's my counter offer: the Arabs get removed to their countries. They aren't getting Ariel and Elon Moreh and Yitzhar and Kdumim. You call them "illegal settlements". I call them my neighborhood. So screw you.
no arab country did in 1947. they purged their jews, but refused to take in any arabs. 70+ years as “refugees”.
Palestinians in Lebanon still living in refugee camps. You'd think they would be integrated by now.
Can't "integrate" when you're not allowed to move from the camp, can you?
Hamas attack was triggered by plans to demolish Al-Aqsa and build "third temple". Hence the name for the jail-break - "Al-Aqsa Wind":
Extremist Politics in Israel and Ukraine - Alastair Crooke, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen
https://rumble.com/v3okn3w-extremist-politics-in-israel-and-ukraine-alastair-crooke-alexander-mercouri.html Oct. 11, 2023 – VERY good
‘Al-Aqsa Flood’: The surprise is that some are surprised -- The cry for Al-Aqsa resonated across the entire Islamic sphere. Why did the West not get it? -- Oct. 8, 2023
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/al-aqsa-flood:-the-surprise-is-that-some-are-surprised
Israel-Palestine War: US Faces Catastrophe in Middle East! -- Oct. 12, 2023
https://rumble.com/v3oqlqp-israel-palestine-war-us-faces-catastrophe-in-middle-east.html
Why Is The West Supporting Israel Over Palestine? | Understanding The Art Of Propaganda
Armageddon update - preview -- Oct. 11 - https://rumble.com/v3omjt9-menu-armageddon-update.html
https://rumble.com/v3olmdv-war-crimes-moats-with-george-galloway-ep-281.html -- VERY good
Seymour Hersh – Oct. 12, 2023 – Netanyahu is Finished -- The Bibi doctrine—his belief that he could control Hamas—compromised Israeli security and has now begat a bloody war
https://substack.com/inbox/post/137880462
While they're at it why not blow up that mosque and rebuild their temple? Then they could achieve the impossible. They'd unite Arabs, Turks, Persians, Africans, Sunnis & Shia. Groups that would just as soon kill each other would all attack you and Israels nukes would not stop them.
The religious nutters in the Jewish world have twice tried to blow it up and were caught both times by Israeli security (thank god). How long before they are allowed to succeed?
Crooke is an idiot. There would never be a serious plan to demolish Al-Aqsa by Israel, they know this would enflame the entire region, pouring gasoline into the fire. Hamas surely knows this too.
Why have no other Arab countries come to their aid. Obviuosly they don't care. The whole thing is sad since 1948. The Arab states should have left Israel alone from day 1 and found homes for the 650,000 displaced Muslims in Palestine. The surrounding Arab countires threw the Jews out of all their countries after 1948 but Israel was able to relocate the thousands in Israel. Anti-semitism, here since the days of Constantine, will never end.(everyone else needs a Jewish scapegoat).
There would have been few if any refugees in 48 except the Arab nations chose war (Egypt above all).
Tell this to Mike Adams at Brighteeon.com who accuses Israelis of "Bloodlust."
Yes, I saw that and promptly “unsubscribed”. What an ass.
A tool and a fool.
Wow
Open a safe corridor to Egypt let the world watch Egyptian soldiers killing them to keep them out.
Egypt has already warned they won't have them. In fact talks of making Gaza and its people Egyptian have happened in the past. They were not interested.
BTW Israel has now ordered people in the north of Gaza to move to the south in 24 hours so they won't be hurt during a ground invasion. Guess what? The UN is protesting it.