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Jordan Schachtel's avatar

Nobody bats .1000!

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Tellittothedead's avatar

One would think that an investigative journalist would do a little investigating before putting 'ink to paper,' as it were. Now, I'm not saying this dude is telling the truth, but I am saying that he is in a position to have some knowledge about covert operations, given his TSC. Furthermore, you purport that aliens traveling to earth from a distant galaxy is improbable, barring a "scientific breakthrough," but you've ignorantly neglected the notion that just because humans' current understanding of physics doesn't allow us to travel beyond the solar system, doesn't mean that a hypothetical alien civilization could.

Lastly, and I said this in another pose, you completely ignored any current or historical data, eyewitness testimony and accounts spanning a minimum of 85 years. You ignore official documents from not only the United States Government, but also France, Russia, Brazil, and others.

Furthermore, you're perspective is from an extremely limited and narrow viewpoint, without taking the larger context into consideration. Naturally, it would seem to anyone who only pays attention to new related to Biden, Ukraine or the downfall of the country, that they "trotting out aliens as a distraction to cover up their crimes." It amazes me that people claim to be aware of everything going on, know so little.

My suggestion, as I said above is to do a little research and educate yourself before you go writing off garbage drivel, like this article clearly is. You do yourself and your readers a huge disservice.

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Jordan Schachtel's avatar

I appreciate your response, but note it is free of any evidence.

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Tellittothedead's avatar

In that case, you've missed the point entirely

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Weihan Xing's avatar

You are beginning to sound like the DNC post-2020 election. There is NO EVIDENCE unless you look, and you clearly have not done the research on the topic, preferring clearly to dismiss it out of hand. The topic of UFOs is clearly NOT your forte.

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John H.'s avatar

If these allegations are true, please present the evidence proving that extra (earth) terrestrial/physical alien beings exist and have traveled here.

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Tellittothedead's avatar

First of all, I've never said the allegations are true or false. Those are besides the point. If this guy (the whistleblower) was speaking in a vacuum, I'd say he was full of shit. If his credentials are correct, and apparently they have been vetted (that could easily change), this person is proven to be in a position to top-secret programs and perhaps the people who work on them.

Second, there has been an OVERWHELMING amount of evidence that has come down to us in the last 85 years regarding the presence of a phenomena, which many attribute to being extraterrestrial. Specifically, this data includes:

-Photographic evidence

-Video Evidence

-Eyewitness Testimony

-Data from various instruments/sensors/systems/radars/etc.

-Numerous government documents

-Various physical evidence from purported contact with craft-this includes evidence and injury to persons, plants, trees, soil, radiological evidence

-Reports from other countries

-Data from other countries

Now, I've never said that it was alien per se; I'll leave that open for interpretation, however, I am pointing to data that cannot and has been shown to not have prosaic explanations. We know that a number of "sightings" and accounts are perfectly explainable, but others are not.

My point is that Jordan did literally no research on the topic and like many, fell into the trap of ignoring the historical and significant data that has already been out. I suggest doing your own research, rather than listening to someone's uneducated opinion on it.

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arnoud's avatar

You're doing the exact opposite of what you think Jordan does. Because you weigh your findings based on your named bullet points you weigh this article as ignorant. He just says the guy who has come forward with evidence doesn't have ANY direct evidence at all. Regardless of the fact what history shows us.

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Tellittothedead's avatar

Um, so I was actually responding to John. H. I already discussed my point about Jordan's article. Someone asked me specifically to provide evidence and that is the response you are seeing. Furthermore, the dude didn't claim to have direct evidence. He's making a claim based off of his intimate knowledge and position within the government. Do I know if these are true or not? No. Does the evidence suggest some form of truth here? Sure it does given the overwhelming body of evidence and historical context of the subject.

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John H.'s avatar

It's a mistake to assume that someone has done no research. You aren't in any position to know that. The question that really matters is whether there is physical evidence of non (earth) terrestrial visitation by beings who are physical and who would have to arrive here by physical craft which would require unknown and unexplainable capabilities (based on the known physics which govern the universe). That is what there is no evidence for that you or anyone else has produced. There are many reasons why that is the case. The author mentioned a major one in passing.

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Tellittothedead's avatar

It's not a mistake to make that assumption. I can see it in his article and his writing. Otherwise, he would have included it in some form. Furthermore, you're only looking at one thing. That's like saying, "we don't have photographic evidence of the existence of an electron, therefore they don't exist." Get real.

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John H.'s avatar

There are many problems with what you have written.

First, the analogy you employed is totally false. Electrons are physical entities that are not visible with the naked eye, yet they can be detected using physical means. Alleged physical spacecraft or their occupants from a far distant part of the universe (of extra [earth] terrestrial origin) must be physical entities, visible with the naked eye and could easily be demonstrated (touched, seen, etc.) if they exist. No such entities are available for examination. Your task is to prove the existence of physical extra (earth) terrestrial entities, not non-physical/spiritual ones.

You also have not yet addressed the dilemma of how anything, at a minimum, light years away, could possibly reach the earth at all (you must use the known universal laws of physics unless you intend to posit the existence of unproveable universal physical laws which creates an even greater dilemma for that position.

Worse yet for those who allege the existence of such things is that there is a fundamental flaw in logic to claim that the proof of the possibility of something rests on the existence of physical laws which do not exist (or can't be demonstrated) and yet use it as a proof of something that also does not exist and cannot be demonstrated.

We know from the Report from Iron Mountain https://stopthecrime.net/docs/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf, that a fake alien invasion was considered for the future. We also know that holographic image technology exists which can make it appear that things are being seen in the atmosphere which are not physical even though they appear to be, such as alien spacecraft. For details, read about Operation Bluebeam, HAARP type technology combined with atmospheric nanoparticulate spraying and weapons applications. Also see: https://ia601605.us.archive.org/35/items/WeatherAsAForceMultiplier/WeatherAsAForceMultiplier.pdf.

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Jordan Schachtel's avatar

Well said, John

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Tellittothedead's avatar

So first, thank you for making my point for me. Since I can't always visualize, see, feel or touch something directly, we both agree there are other forms of evidence which can also indicate the presence or existence of, something, such as in the case of the electron, or other things that are too small for the wavelength of light.

Therefore, there are other measures of evidence which may indicate the existence of a phenomenon such as aliens, their craft, etc. My task isn't to prove anything true or not; my task is to present the evidence. In science, you present your data, and if one has a better explanation of that data, the onus is on them to show why that data is superior.

Second, you asked about the vast distances associated with interstellar travel. Most people think correctly that traveling in a linear path, from point A to point B in the universe takes a long time, even at luminal velocities (speed of light). While this is very true, requires infinite amounts of energy (think E=mc^2), there have been many proposed workarounds that don't violate general or special relativity.

One of them is the Einstein-Rosen bridge, colloquially referred to as a wormhole. A wormhole is a direct solution to Einstein's Field Equations and would facilitate moving from point A to Point B through an opening in spacetime, reducing travel time. This has been recently accomplished in a quantum computer, and scientists believe this to be possible, although the specific science and technology isn't there for us, just yet.

The other mechanism which has been discussed in the literature is engineering the spacetime metric, to create a "warp bubble" around the craft, which would facilitate FTL travel without violating GR. There have been several papers in the last few years which describe solutions to the Field Equations that create a warp bubble around the craft, and it is described as "riding a wave." All of these are realistic to our current understanding of physics.

You state that(paraphrasing) there is a flaw in the logic that one argues about laws which we can't demonstrate and don't know about as being used for aliens traveling all this way. This logic is certainly not flawed, and the only thing that is actually flawed, is your perception. The whole point of science is trying to uncover that which we do not know or understand, and increase knowledge in that which we do understand. One can imagine and is perfectly logical to guess that somewhere, something else, may know or have a different understanding than we currently do; the fact we don't know or can't demonstrate something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it only means we haven't learned or demonstrated it, or have no evidence of it. A thing can still exist without our knowledge. This is arguably the dumbest point I've ever heard.

Lastly, scientists make educated guesses all of the time, based on a small amount of knowledge. When it turns out our predictions are wrong or flawed based on new evidence, we change our understanding, and build upon the new understanding. So, I don't know what the hell you're talking about that I have to "demonstrate based on known universal laws." We don't know all the universe's laws, thus I can speculate, although I haven't really speculated here. All of the above I've described are real-world possibilities, given the input of enough energy, which is one of the hurdles. That isn't to say a civilization significantly ahead of ours hasn't figured that out.

Bluebeam is fake. Period. End of story. I saw you linked it and I'm not looking at that horseshit.

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John H.'s avatar

First, I didn't make your point, I explained why your analogy is faulty which you didn't address. Instead, you tried to imply that my critique actually supports you, which it clearly doesn't.

Second, I don't appreciate you being extremely crass in two places and engaging in ad hominem attacks e.g., "this is arguably the dumbest point I've ever heard." That can't possibly be true even if it is dumb (which it isn't). I agree that a thing can exist without our knowledge, and a thing which we imagine, (but cannot prove exists), might actually exist, but that does not help establish whether the WhistleblowerтАЩs claims are true. What I thought we were discussing is whether physical aliens have or have not visited earth from some distant part of the universe using physical craft and whether there is any proof of it. If your position is that this might theoretically be possible, but not actually possible currently, that's a different debate and not relevant to the whistleblower's contention since he claims the government is in possession of physical artifacts.

Third, you ask us to believe a person who allegedly has access to classified evidence which he has never examined or seen. You imply we should accept the veracity of the non-submitted evidence because it comes from a credible source, the same source that has been found to lie repeatedly to the public for over 60 years on topic after topic. If this source has been willing to lie repeatedly, why should we think it is telling the truth now? For example, over the past 3.5 years, virtually every labeled conspiracy theory with respect to the so-called pandemic and the handling thereof has been proven to be true. We have been subjected to lie after lie after lie by authorities.

Fourth, I purport that you have no proof and neither does the so-called whistle-blower that we have been visited by extra (earth) terrestrial aliens or their crafts. Maybe you actually agree with that. What you have presented are some ideas that might someday attain the level of testable hypotheses that are based on one 9empirically unproven) interpretation of GR and related speculation, including inferences from quantum computer modeling which allegedly predict the existence of worm holes, but you admittedly have no empirical evidence of this. In other words, you must admit that to date, no macroscopic (physical) entity has been sent a great astronomical distance through a "wormholeтАЭ as none have ever been proven to exist.

Fifth, by making the blanket statement that Bluebeam is fake and that ends the story, I can't tell what you're actually objecting to since I didnтАЩt link to project Bluebeam, I only mentioned it (it its simplest iteration, Bluebeam refers to authorities faking an alien invasion. The hologram issue is a subset of it). You did not comment about the two links I actually included or reply to my raising the issue of HAARP (ionospheric heater) technology in this context. In any case, your response included becoming crass, rather than explaining exactly what you meant. Do you deny global atmospheric nanoparticulate spraying has been on-going for decades? Are you denying EMF bombardment of the ionosphere through HAARP and other related technologies? Do you deny that the military said they would control the weather and be able to use it as a weapon by 2025? Do you admit that the military has been interested in deploying space-based weapons for decades? Should I understand you to be alleging that technology does not exist to create 3D-appearing physical objects that are actually holograms in the atmosphere?

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Tellittothedead's avatar

Did I accidentally hurt your little fee fee's? Awwww, I'm sawwwyyy. Just kidding, if you couldn't tell by my sarcasm; I'm not actually sorry. It was definitely one of the dumbest things I've heard. See, I argue with fools like you constantly, so I know how it goes. Furthermore, I don't mince words; I tell things how I see them, and straight to the point. You need to go back and reread our original discussion, because you've had a lapse in memory.

So you did actually make my point, and quite eloquently, I might add. Thank you for that. What you're doing is changing the arguments, because all of your initial points have been refuted, or in common parlance, moving the goalposts. You finish your point, not by talking about the possibility of aliens or ETs, the specifics about my arguments, or anything related; you finish your thoughts talking about fucking weather control, space weapons, and EMPs. Although somewhat related, totally irrelevant to the conversation.

I'm not making the argument whether or not this particular whistleblower's accusations are true or not. I'm making the argument that could potentially be in a significant position to know. I'm also making the argument that regardless, you and many others, including OP (who I know nothing about and only saw his post on a patriots.win post), have not taken any time to look at the vast quantities of data I discussed in other posts, here. Which in turn means you're likely extremely ignorant on the history regarding UFOs, the evidence for their existence or both.

As I said, I argue with you people all the time and get the same answers, so I'm used to it by now, however you people are missing the biggest point: THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ENDORSE THIS!!! They literally said so themselves; their whole TALKING POINTS FOR 85 FUCKING YEARS HAS BEEN THAT ALIENS DO NOT EXIST, THERE'S NO PROOF OF ALIENS, AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO "CREDIBLE EVIDENCE" THAT WE HAVE EVER BEEN VISITED BY ANY CRAFT OUTSIDE OF EARTH!! This isn't new bro. The government lies about this all the time. We know they lie. We can prove they're lying. Retards like you turn it completely into a fantasy novel with fake alien invasions, all that shit. It's not. They don't want you to know about this. Why? Because it keeps them in power; it keeps them in control. You people don't realize that, because you haven't paid any attention. You haven't looked at the data, you haven't read the documents.

See, if you knew that, you'd be able to make a much stronger, much more cohesive argument.

So you say another retarded thing: "that you have presented are some ideas that might someday attain the level of testable hypotheses that are based on one 9empirically unproven) interpretation of GR and related speculation"

So GR has been proven over and over and isn't up for debate; ditto to Einstein-Rosen Bridge (wormholes). If you want to make an argument against that, you have a tougher hill to climb than you do now. I'll remind you that Black holes also came out of GR and weren't "proven to exist" until the late-60's-70's. See point about not "proving things that still may exist."

See, 'tards like you want everything wrapped up in a neat little box, with a bow on top. You only want a picture, but ignore the rest of the evidence.

Blue Beam is 1000% fake and fucking stupid, dude. That's all I'm going to say about it. There's no proof, there's no supporting documentation, nothing. I didn't comment on the links you posted because they're retarded blue beam nonsense, and I'm not doing that. Go research flat earth.

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Sandra ---'s avatar

Yes, I've been expecting Operation Bluebeam for a while. I kind of thought that whole War of the Worlds thing they did decades ago with Orson Wells was a beta test.

https://waroftheworlds.fandom.com/wiki/Grovers_Mill,_New_Jersey

I wonder if the sheep will fall for this like they fell for covid and all the other lies.

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Weihan Xing's avatar

Excellent comment. Thank you!

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Ron Kline's avatar

Just because someone has top secret clearance really means nothing if the objective is to make the space invasion narrative look real even if it is not. If he was really TSC he would have been shown the craft but no he is conveniently one step removed. You give way too much credibility to title and what he was told instead of his eyewitness testimony. I'd say that is a leap of faith..

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Tellittothedead's avatar

All I've said is that if his credentials are in fact accurate, he would be in a position to have some form of access to this information. You ruined your whole argument when you mention, "space invasion." Sorry, but I don't give much credence to people parroting fake blue beam narratives.

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Vanda Salvini's avatar

There's always a possibility that there is life elsewhere but some questions are: Why would they come here? Why use a space craft at all, i.e., technology possibilities are as endless as the potential for other life elsewhere in the universe etc etc etc.

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Richard's avatar

Include Chile in your list of governments acknowledging direct evidence of ET craft.

Yes Jordan, we humans must remain humble regarding our place in the cosmos, and independent thinkers must acknowledge the well-documented evidence of US government suppression of what happened at Roswell and so many other places. We are not alone in this universe, and we have never been alone.

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TwinDanger's avatar

Other whistleblowers have and are continuing to come forward that the public at large are not aware of yet. Dr. Gary Nolan in fact knew about this David Grusch and made hints a week before this story hit. Also, why do they have to "travel from light years away"? What if they always been here, maybe they are interdimensional travelers? What if they are Swamp Gas Monsters? I mean there are tons of other possibilities. Thank you, end of rant.

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GadflyBytes's avatar

WouldnтАЩt it be batting 1.000?

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Crixcyon's avatar

According to the democrats, they always do.

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