So first, thank you for making my point for me. Since I can't always visualize, see, feel or touch something directly, we both agree there are other forms of evidence which can also indicate the presence or existence of, something, such as in the case of the electron, or other things that are too small for the wavelength of light.
So first, thank you for making my point for me. Since I can't always visualize, see, feel or touch something directly, we both agree there are other forms of evidence which can also indicate the presence or existence of, something, such as in the case of the electron, or other things that are too small for the wavelength of light.
Therefore, there are other measures of evidence which may indicate the existence of a phenomenon such as aliens, their craft, etc. My task isn't to prove anything true or not; my task is to present the evidence. In science, you present your data, and if one has a better explanation of that data, the onus is on them to show why that data is superior.
Second, you asked about the vast distances associated with interstellar travel. Most people think correctly that traveling in a linear path, from point A to point B in the universe takes a long time, even at luminal velocities (speed of light). While this is very true, requires infinite amounts of energy (think E=mc^2), there have been many proposed workarounds that don't violate general or special relativity.
One of them is the Einstein-Rosen bridge, colloquially referred to as a wormhole. A wormhole is a direct solution to Einstein's Field Equations and would facilitate moving from point A to Point B through an opening in spacetime, reducing travel time. This has been recently accomplished in a quantum computer, and scientists believe this to be possible, although the specific science and technology isn't there for us, just yet.
The other mechanism which has been discussed in the literature is engineering the spacetime metric, to create a "warp bubble" around the craft, which would facilitate FTL travel without violating GR. There have been several papers in the last few years which describe solutions to the Field Equations that create a warp bubble around the craft, and it is described as "riding a wave." All of these are realistic to our current understanding of physics.
You state that(paraphrasing) there is a flaw in the logic that one argues about laws which we can't demonstrate and don't know about as being used for aliens traveling all this way. This logic is certainly not flawed, and the only thing that is actually flawed, is your perception. The whole point of science is trying to uncover that which we do not know or understand, and increase knowledge in that which we do understand. One can imagine and is perfectly logical to guess that somewhere, something else, may know or have a different understanding than we currently do; the fact we don't know or can't demonstrate something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it only means we haven't learned or demonstrated it, or have no evidence of it. A thing can still exist without our knowledge. This is arguably the dumbest point I've ever heard.
Lastly, scientists make educated guesses all of the time, based on a small amount of knowledge. When it turns out our predictions are wrong or flawed based on new evidence, we change our understanding, and build upon the new understanding. So, I don't know what the hell you're talking about that I have to "demonstrate based on known universal laws." We don't know all the universe's laws, thus I can speculate, although I haven't really speculated here. All of the above I've described are real-world possibilities, given the input of enough energy, which is one of the hurdles. That isn't to say a civilization significantly ahead of ours hasn't figured that out.
Bluebeam is fake. Period. End of story. I saw you linked it and I'm not looking at that horseshit.
First, I didn't make your point, I explained why your analogy is faulty which you didn't address. Instead, you tried to imply that my critique actually supports you, which it clearly doesn't.
Second, I don't appreciate you being extremely crass in two places and engaging in ad hominem attacks e.g., "this is arguably the dumbest point I've ever heard." That can't possibly be true even if it is dumb (which it isn't). I agree that a thing can exist without our knowledge, and a thing which we imagine, (but cannot prove exists), might actually exist, but that does not help establish whether the Whistleblower’s claims are true. What I thought we were discussing is whether physical aliens have or have not visited earth from some distant part of the universe using physical craft and whether there is any proof of it. If your position is that this might theoretically be possible, but not actually possible currently, that's a different debate and not relevant to the whistleblower's contention since he claims the government is in possession of physical artifacts.
Third, you ask us to believe a person who allegedly has access to classified evidence which he has never examined or seen. You imply we should accept the veracity of the non-submitted evidence because it comes from a credible source, the same source that has been found to lie repeatedly to the public for over 60 years on topic after topic. If this source has been willing to lie repeatedly, why should we think it is telling the truth now? For example, over the past 3.5 years, virtually every labeled conspiracy theory with respect to the so-called pandemic and the handling thereof has been proven to be true. We have been subjected to lie after lie after lie by authorities.
Fourth, I purport that you have no proof and neither does the so-called whistle-blower that we have been visited by extra (earth) terrestrial aliens or their crafts. Maybe you actually agree with that. What you have presented are some ideas that might someday attain the level of testable hypotheses that are based on one 9empirically unproven) interpretation of GR and related speculation, including inferences from quantum computer modeling which allegedly predict the existence of worm holes, but you admittedly have no empirical evidence of this. In other words, you must admit that to date, no macroscopic (physical) entity has been sent a great astronomical distance through a "wormhole” as none have ever been proven to exist.
Fifth, by making the blanket statement that Bluebeam is fake and that ends the story, I can't tell what you're actually objecting to since I didn’t link to project Bluebeam, I only mentioned it (it its simplest iteration, Bluebeam refers to authorities faking an alien invasion. The hologram issue is a subset of it). You did not comment about the two links I actually included or reply to my raising the issue of HAARP (ionospheric heater) technology in this context. In any case, your response included becoming crass, rather than explaining exactly what you meant. Do you deny global atmospheric nanoparticulate spraying has been on-going for decades? Are you denying EMF bombardment of the ionosphere through HAARP and other related technologies? Do you deny that the military said they would control the weather and be able to use it as a weapon by 2025? Do you admit that the military has been interested in deploying space-based weapons for decades? Should I understand you to be alleging that technology does not exist to create 3D-appearing physical objects that are actually holograms in the atmosphere?
Did I accidentally hurt your little fee fee's? Awwww, I'm sawwwyyy. Just kidding, if you couldn't tell by my sarcasm; I'm not actually sorry. It was definitely one of the dumbest things I've heard. See, I argue with fools like you constantly, so I know how it goes. Furthermore, I don't mince words; I tell things how I see them, and straight to the point. You need to go back and reread our original discussion, because you've had a lapse in memory.
So you did actually make my point, and quite eloquently, I might add. Thank you for that. What you're doing is changing the arguments, because all of your initial points have been refuted, or in common parlance, moving the goalposts. You finish your point, not by talking about the possibility of aliens or ETs, the specifics about my arguments, or anything related; you finish your thoughts talking about fucking weather control, space weapons, and EMPs. Although somewhat related, totally irrelevant to the conversation.
I'm not making the argument whether or not this particular whistleblower's accusations are true or not. I'm making the argument that could potentially be in a significant position to know. I'm also making the argument that regardless, you and many others, including OP (who I know nothing about and only saw his post on a patriots.win post), have not taken any time to look at the vast quantities of data I discussed in other posts, here. Which in turn means you're likely extremely ignorant on the history regarding UFOs, the evidence for their existence or both.
As I said, I argue with you people all the time and get the same answers, so I'm used to it by now, however you people are missing the biggest point: THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ENDORSE THIS!!! They literally said so themselves; their whole TALKING POINTS FOR 85 FUCKING YEARS HAS BEEN THAT ALIENS DO NOT EXIST, THERE'S NO PROOF OF ALIENS, AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO "CREDIBLE EVIDENCE" THAT WE HAVE EVER BEEN VISITED BY ANY CRAFT OUTSIDE OF EARTH!! This isn't new bro. The government lies about this all the time. We know they lie. We can prove they're lying. Retards like you turn it completely into a fantasy novel with fake alien invasions, all that shit. It's not. They don't want you to know about this. Why? Because it keeps them in power; it keeps them in control. You people don't realize that, because you haven't paid any attention. You haven't looked at the data, you haven't read the documents.
See, if you knew that, you'd be able to make a much stronger, much more cohesive argument.
So you say another retarded thing: "that you have presented are some ideas that might someday attain the level of testable hypotheses that are based on one 9empirically unproven) interpretation of GR and related speculation"
So GR has been proven over and over and isn't up for debate; ditto to Einstein-Rosen Bridge (wormholes). If you want to make an argument against that, you have a tougher hill to climb than you do now. I'll remind you that Black holes also came out of GR and weren't "proven to exist" until the late-60's-70's. See point about not "proving things that still may exist."
See, 'tards like you want everything wrapped up in a neat little box, with a bow on top. You only want a picture, but ignore the rest of the evidence.
Blue Beam is 1000% fake and fucking stupid, dude. That's all I'm going to say about it. There's no proof, there's no supporting documentation, nothing. I didn't comment on the links you posted because they're retarded blue beam nonsense, and I'm not doing that. Go research flat earth.
So first, thank you for making my point for me. Since I can't always visualize, see, feel or touch something directly, we both agree there are other forms of evidence which can also indicate the presence or existence of, something, such as in the case of the electron, or other things that are too small for the wavelength of light.
Therefore, there are other measures of evidence which may indicate the existence of a phenomenon such as aliens, their craft, etc. My task isn't to prove anything true or not; my task is to present the evidence. In science, you present your data, and if one has a better explanation of that data, the onus is on them to show why that data is superior.
Second, you asked about the vast distances associated with interstellar travel. Most people think correctly that traveling in a linear path, from point A to point B in the universe takes a long time, even at luminal velocities (speed of light). While this is very true, requires infinite amounts of energy (think E=mc^2), there have been many proposed workarounds that don't violate general or special relativity.
One of them is the Einstein-Rosen bridge, colloquially referred to as a wormhole. A wormhole is a direct solution to Einstein's Field Equations and would facilitate moving from point A to Point B through an opening in spacetime, reducing travel time. This has been recently accomplished in a quantum computer, and scientists believe this to be possible, although the specific science and technology isn't there for us, just yet.
The other mechanism which has been discussed in the literature is engineering the spacetime metric, to create a "warp bubble" around the craft, which would facilitate FTL travel without violating GR. There have been several papers in the last few years which describe solutions to the Field Equations that create a warp bubble around the craft, and it is described as "riding a wave." All of these are realistic to our current understanding of physics.
You state that(paraphrasing) there is a flaw in the logic that one argues about laws which we can't demonstrate and don't know about as being used for aliens traveling all this way. This logic is certainly not flawed, and the only thing that is actually flawed, is your perception. The whole point of science is trying to uncover that which we do not know or understand, and increase knowledge in that which we do understand. One can imagine and is perfectly logical to guess that somewhere, something else, may know or have a different understanding than we currently do; the fact we don't know or can't demonstrate something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it only means we haven't learned or demonstrated it, or have no evidence of it. A thing can still exist without our knowledge. This is arguably the dumbest point I've ever heard.
Lastly, scientists make educated guesses all of the time, based on a small amount of knowledge. When it turns out our predictions are wrong or flawed based on new evidence, we change our understanding, and build upon the new understanding. So, I don't know what the hell you're talking about that I have to "demonstrate based on known universal laws." We don't know all the universe's laws, thus I can speculate, although I haven't really speculated here. All of the above I've described are real-world possibilities, given the input of enough energy, which is one of the hurdles. That isn't to say a civilization significantly ahead of ours hasn't figured that out.
Bluebeam is fake. Period. End of story. I saw you linked it and I'm not looking at that horseshit.
First, I didn't make your point, I explained why your analogy is faulty which you didn't address. Instead, you tried to imply that my critique actually supports you, which it clearly doesn't.
Second, I don't appreciate you being extremely crass in two places and engaging in ad hominem attacks e.g., "this is arguably the dumbest point I've ever heard." That can't possibly be true even if it is dumb (which it isn't). I agree that a thing can exist without our knowledge, and a thing which we imagine, (but cannot prove exists), might actually exist, but that does not help establish whether the Whistleblower’s claims are true. What I thought we were discussing is whether physical aliens have or have not visited earth from some distant part of the universe using physical craft and whether there is any proof of it. If your position is that this might theoretically be possible, but not actually possible currently, that's a different debate and not relevant to the whistleblower's contention since he claims the government is in possession of physical artifacts.
Third, you ask us to believe a person who allegedly has access to classified evidence which he has never examined or seen. You imply we should accept the veracity of the non-submitted evidence because it comes from a credible source, the same source that has been found to lie repeatedly to the public for over 60 years on topic after topic. If this source has been willing to lie repeatedly, why should we think it is telling the truth now? For example, over the past 3.5 years, virtually every labeled conspiracy theory with respect to the so-called pandemic and the handling thereof has been proven to be true. We have been subjected to lie after lie after lie by authorities.
Fourth, I purport that you have no proof and neither does the so-called whistle-blower that we have been visited by extra (earth) terrestrial aliens or their crafts. Maybe you actually agree with that. What you have presented are some ideas that might someday attain the level of testable hypotheses that are based on one 9empirically unproven) interpretation of GR and related speculation, including inferences from quantum computer modeling which allegedly predict the existence of worm holes, but you admittedly have no empirical evidence of this. In other words, you must admit that to date, no macroscopic (physical) entity has been sent a great astronomical distance through a "wormhole” as none have ever been proven to exist.
Fifth, by making the blanket statement that Bluebeam is fake and that ends the story, I can't tell what you're actually objecting to since I didn’t link to project Bluebeam, I only mentioned it (it its simplest iteration, Bluebeam refers to authorities faking an alien invasion. The hologram issue is a subset of it). You did not comment about the two links I actually included or reply to my raising the issue of HAARP (ionospheric heater) technology in this context. In any case, your response included becoming crass, rather than explaining exactly what you meant. Do you deny global atmospheric nanoparticulate spraying has been on-going for decades? Are you denying EMF bombardment of the ionosphere through HAARP and other related technologies? Do you deny that the military said they would control the weather and be able to use it as a weapon by 2025? Do you admit that the military has been interested in deploying space-based weapons for decades? Should I understand you to be alleging that technology does not exist to create 3D-appearing physical objects that are actually holograms in the atmosphere?
Did I accidentally hurt your little fee fee's? Awwww, I'm sawwwyyy. Just kidding, if you couldn't tell by my sarcasm; I'm not actually sorry. It was definitely one of the dumbest things I've heard. See, I argue with fools like you constantly, so I know how it goes. Furthermore, I don't mince words; I tell things how I see them, and straight to the point. You need to go back and reread our original discussion, because you've had a lapse in memory.
So you did actually make my point, and quite eloquently, I might add. Thank you for that. What you're doing is changing the arguments, because all of your initial points have been refuted, or in common parlance, moving the goalposts. You finish your point, not by talking about the possibility of aliens or ETs, the specifics about my arguments, or anything related; you finish your thoughts talking about fucking weather control, space weapons, and EMPs. Although somewhat related, totally irrelevant to the conversation.
I'm not making the argument whether or not this particular whistleblower's accusations are true or not. I'm making the argument that could potentially be in a significant position to know. I'm also making the argument that regardless, you and many others, including OP (who I know nothing about and only saw his post on a patriots.win post), have not taken any time to look at the vast quantities of data I discussed in other posts, here. Which in turn means you're likely extremely ignorant on the history regarding UFOs, the evidence for their existence or both.
As I said, I argue with you people all the time and get the same answers, so I'm used to it by now, however you people are missing the biggest point: THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ENDORSE THIS!!! They literally said so themselves; their whole TALKING POINTS FOR 85 FUCKING YEARS HAS BEEN THAT ALIENS DO NOT EXIST, THERE'S NO PROOF OF ALIENS, AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO "CREDIBLE EVIDENCE" THAT WE HAVE EVER BEEN VISITED BY ANY CRAFT OUTSIDE OF EARTH!! This isn't new bro. The government lies about this all the time. We know they lie. We can prove they're lying. Retards like you turn it completely into a fantasy novel with fake alien invasions, all that shit. It's not. They don't want you to know about this. Why? Because it keeps them in power; it keeps them in control. You people don't realize that, because you haven't paid any attention. You haven't looked at the data, you haven't read the documents.
See, if you knew that, you'd be able to make a much stronger, much more cohesive argument.
So you say another retarded thing: "that you have presented are some ideas that might someday attain the level of testable hypotheses that are based on one 9empirically unproven) interpretation of GR and related speculation"
So GR has been proven over and over and isn't up for debate; ditto to Einstein-Rosen Bridge (wormholes). If you want to make an argument against that, you have a tougher hill to climb than you do now. I'll remind you that Black holes also came out of GR and weren't "proven to exist" until the late-60's-70's. See point about not "proving things that still may exist."
See, 'tards like you want everything wrapped up in a neat little box, with a bow on top. You only want a picture, but ignore the rest of the evidence.
Blue Beam is 1000% fake and fucking stupid, dude. That's all I'm going to say about it. There's no proof, there's no supporting documentation, nothing. I didn't comment on the links you posted because they're retarded blue beam nonsense, and I'm not doing that. Go research flat earth.