It actually depends on how you define “thrive.” I’m both a daughter of the Mayflower and a card carrying Cherokee and in my blood is the marriage of the two people groups. The Pilgrims would have died in the new land if it weren’t for the native people and the Cherokee were very civilized and advanced. They even welcomed the white man and created alliances and drafted a constitution that was modeled after the US constitution, which was also modeled after the Mayflower Compact. The Cherokee Nation was acclimating and working with the US government and even had representatives. All that went to shit when Andrew Jackson found out their land had gold. Therefore he had to propagandize them as “savage” so that people would WANT them removed. Ergo the “Indian Removal Act.” The native people are better about caring for the land and understanding that humans are a part of the larger ecosystem and we have a lot to learn from them and their practices and mentalities. It was the unity between the two groups that made America great. It’s a little simplistic and short sighted to blanket all native people as “failing to thrive” as it’s just not true. But I also have great respect for Columbus because he didn’t have an easy job and if he hadn’t done his job, I wouldn’t be here. Acknowledging the indigenous people is a good thing. But so is acknowledging the pioneers and explorers. It doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive.
🎯👏👏👏 YOU have proven in these few paragraphs that you have a huge heart and are very wise! Mr. DeSchool must have not known that the native people had been living & thriving here for THOUSANDS of years! Even the Romans & Egyptians didn't last as long! What Europeans called immigration to North America really turned into to an invasion of this continent, starting with the Spanish! The Vikings, who came before the rest of Europe, realized this wasn't un populated land and acted accordingly. So... America does have alot of blood on her hands, let's be honest. And let's all vote for Kamala & Tim!!✌️🌊
Thank you SO much for your kind words! I DO have a big heart & love all life and all of Creation. I FULLY believe our best days are ahead of us if we’re willing to learn from each other. I might choose to vote for a different team based on my belief that they are better positioned to save the Republic, but it sounds like we share a willingness to understand that often history can paint a different picture of reality and there are always many sides of a story. I chuckle when people say this nation began in 1776…the signing of The Declaration of Independence was certainly pivotal and then the Constitution was signed in 1787 and those are beautiful things worth defending & preserving. But this land and her people have been here thriving and blossoming & blooming LONG before that document was put in place or the Revolutionary War ended. Those are important parts of our history, but they’re only one part of the beauty of this land where ALL people and people groups should have the opportunity to sow their gifts & abilities to yield a crop 100-fold that benefits all of humanity. So many blessings to you and thank you for your great perspective.
And people say women aren't ready for the White House! WOW! Your post made my eyes well up... With people like us we can't miss!!😉 TY for your kind words, my faith restored, have a fabulous day!🌊🤍❤️🤙
But....what if the legacy of CC could be unburdened by what has been and a new narrative was disseminated that Chris Columbus was a gender-fluid pansexual, race-fluid (like Kamala) with pronouns "They/Them/They," a pantheistic atheist humanist who came to the Americas to proselytize Marxism, before Marx?
“Every culture institutionalizes certain forms of behavior that communicate and encourage certain forms of thinking and acting, thus moulding the character of its citizens. To the degree that the individual is made an object of constant mental manipulation, to the degree that cultural institutions may tend to weaken intellectual and spiritual strength, to the degree that knowledge of the mind is used to tame and condition people instead of educating them, to that degree does the culture itself produce men and women who are predisposed to accept an authoritarian way of life.”
This Orwell 1984 tshirt is perfect for these times: t.co/EKkMWeTAPG
Everything we have done as a society to right the supposed wrongs for the indigenous peoples have been unmitigated disasters. From allowing countries within a country and now legalizing accessible gambling which has ruined countless lives has done nothing to help society as a whole. My ancestry is German, but the Brits created a superior way of life. It is ok to admit someone else did things better than your ancestors as you are now able to reap those benefits by assimilating into it.
Your statements about gambling are unsubstantiated whining. A flat statement that “behavior that is in category X for some X ‘has ruined countless lives’” is almost always false. It fails the smell test… if it is so awful, why is it legal and why do so many people enjoy it? Projecting addiction onto categories of behavior presupposes that the activity is to blame for the addiction. The reality is that people with addictive behavior problems can get addicted to almost anything… and people without those problems can do the same things without developing addictions.
Judeo-Christian is a distinctly American concept not shared then or now by Europeans. It is worth noting that 1492 is the year that Spain expelled the Jews, a practice that was common to all European countries at one time or another. The European Christians may have been the beneficiaries of Jewish thought but the concept of fusion was alien to them. American support for Israel dates from 1640, before the US or modern Israel existed. Hamilton and Madison were both literate in Hebrew and that intellectual tradition informed the drafting of the Constitution.
That aside, Columbus did start the process of bringing what we now call Western thought to the US and for that he should be honored. It is ridiculous to blame him for the near annihilation of the Indians by diseases he didn't understand any better than they did. It is even more ridiculous to blame the US which wouldn't exist for another 3 centuries.
The Aztec Empire was one held together by violence and human sacrifice. Cortez defeated the Aztecs in part because he had a number of indigenous allies fighting alongside his Conquistadores.
The Mayan civilization collapsed centuries before Columbus happened on the scene.
The Missippian culture declined well before the Spaniards made it north into North America, and one of the major Missippian settlements, Cahokia, went into decline by 1400--again, well before the Europeans arrived.
European diseases--to which the indigenous populations did not have any resistance, having been isolated from the rest of humanity within the Western Hemisphere for some 10,000 years--were merely the finishing blow of cultures that had already reached a zenith and were in decline.
Why those declines happened is a fascinating question, and one which naturally invites the "what if?" hypothesizing of what would have evolved in the western hemisphere but for Columbus reaching the West Indies.
However, people should not pretend that the indigenous cultures of the Western Hemisphere were not already in decline--and were in many ways stymied in their technological evolution. Without horses or oxen, or any similar draft animal, the transportation technologies necessary for long-haul overland commerce could never arise. Thus trade networks in the western hemisphere never became the socio-economic and cultural force that they were in Bronze Age Mesopotamia or Iron Age Europe and onward.
Without draft animals, overland transport of large amounts of trade goods is a logistical impossibility.
It is fascinating to ponder "what if" the native cultures of the Western Hemisphere had not been disrupted by the arrival of Europeans, but it is highly likely that whatever cultures evolved without the influence of the Europeans would have remained technologically stilted.
Overland travel and trade while not impossible was very difficult in the Old World until the coming of the railroad. Most trade was seaborne. Armies could move if they lived off the land.
Sorry, but this rant is downright racist . It fails utterly acknowledge the brutal treatment of the indigenous populations of North & South America by invading Europeans beginning with Columbus , leading to Cortez and other brutal Spanish conquerers all the way to the near destruction of the indigenous languages and cultures of the Native Americans in the US and Canada .
Yes, the indigenous peoples of the so-called "new world" were constantly fighting and killing each other before Columbus , but the same was true of the various nations and empires of Europe ; the inquisitions, the slaughter of Jews , Catholics and Protestants killing each other, the witch hunts which spread to Puritan New England, the Crusades , where the crusaders slaughtered many peaceful Muslims who were not a threat to them, and on and on and on .
So many indigenous "New World " peoples died because they had no immunity to the viruses brought in by Europeans . Columbus brutally murdered so many indigenous tribesmen of the Caribbean , enslaved them and put them to work in mines where they were brutally worked to death . In the US and Canada, Native American children were forced to be "reeducated " ,learn English and were severely punished for speaking their native languages .
The result ? Hardly any American Indians in the US still speak their ancestral languages and are confined to reservations where they live in abject poverty . It wasn't pretty . Remember the 19th century saying "The only goodIndian is a dead Indian . The indigenous peoples of North and South America were forced to become Christians and denied the right to their traditional spiritual beliefs and rituals .
The indigenous peoples of North and South America did not "need" to be converted to Christianity or to be subject to "Judeo-Christian" beliefs . They had their own ancient moral codes which served them perfectly well . They did not need the 10 Commandments at all . Western culture and Christianity did not make them better people .
Yes, the past is the past and there is no way the native Americans can return to life as it was before Columbus . But we should not glorify Columbus , who was not motivated with good intentions when he and his crew discovered the native inhabitants . Nor were Cortez and other conquerers . They were motivated by greed and lust for personal fame . The native peoples were expendable to them . They lusted after the plentiful gold and other things Europeans craved .
And the Aztecs , Mayans and Incas et al had advanced civilizations , created flourishing cities which were far more sanitary than European ones , had great expertise in mathematics, science, astronomy, & architecture etc . And even the conquering Spaniards admitted that native physicians were far better than the ones they brought with them . They benefitted greatly from being treated by the native medical techniques and surgery .
Your rant is far more obnoxious than the one which you are trying to dis. It uses all sorts of Marxist doublespeak which cannot be resolved against reality… which is the reason Marxists use it. They can’t be pinned down to statements that don’t mean anything in the first place.
Excellent honest and factually supported analysis and commentary on what sadly has become for the Left, just another misused weapon to attack the people, conservatives, that see things for their substance and not their own personal means of shamefully attacking modern day conservative thoughts and practices.
You are so filled with it! The Judeo/Christian world view is all about superiority & greed! Columbus bumped into the Western Hemisphere because he was bought by Ferdinand & Isabela to find the RICHES of the Indies! The People of the Western Hemisphere were happy with their present & spiritual lives. For the most part they lived in harmony with the Nature around them!
I am not & have never been since I was born a religious person. My parents were not & both sets of grandparents had dumped religion when they became thinking intelligent adults. You need to review your Judeo/Christian history! Right now, the Judeo part is Zionism & the genocide of people they think are scum & have no reason to live!
You’ve been conditioned to hate Christianity. Read another perspective from that of the Marxist professors. Remember, it’s history over 500 years ago. Don’t apply your value system today to the times of discovery.
You are totally wrong!!! I have many close friends who are Christians, Jews, Muslims & Buddhists. I worked for a Catholic Women's college for 3 years & learned the inside pretty well! I have no problem with your ideology, however, keep in your own home and don't push it onto other people! I simply DO NOT go along with the patriarchal organized domineering religions!
This is why our fight for the truth of pandemic, its protocols, elections, gender, climate, etc is so difficult but so very, very necessary. Because once it sets in as the legend we will never succeed in having the facts ever printed and widely known.
You are not a thinking intelligent adult. Thinking intelligent adults are not reductionist idiots that write off whole traditions with a few platitudinous complaints.
The issue I always find amusing is the way these nativists always portray the American Indians as living in harmony with each other Indian "nation," when the opposite is far closer to the truth. These Indian Nations fought with each other over territory like most people wouldn't believe, especially once they've been treated to the Disney Fantasy Factory of American Civilization.
One additional note: I will continue to refer to them as American Indians as long as the knuckleheads that classify people will continue to use the terms African-American and Asian-American, along with all other forms of hyphenated Americans that Theodore Roosevelt railed against over 100 years ago.
Harris should have stressed the need to not shy away from this shameful most recent past and call for action to address the ongoing impact of those historical injustices on the people in the pathway of geoengineered weather control system that our DOD implemented that has destroyed the land in various parts of the United States. People are currently suffering from having their homes destroyed. Their lives tossed in the bin with domestic terrorists' bio - weapon whom have yet been brought to justice. The promised help from FEMA is a joke. Have we even collected all the bodies yet? Whether it be for Linthium mining or the start of the New World Order 15 minute cities, injustices must be recognized to save our democracy and for the humanity of all races. Thank you.
The Haudenosaunee (formerly the Iroquois) wanted to do that, but New York State was utterly ruthless in dealing with them. HM King George III banned white settlement in their lands, but the Revolutionary War ended that. Some of them did cross into “the Canadas” (as Ontario and Quebec were known back then), but there was never a First Nations princely state, as he had intended.
It actually depends on how you define “thrive.” I’m both a daughter of the Mayflower and a card carrying Cherokee and in my blood is the marriage of the two people groups. The Pilgrims would have died in the new land if it weren’t for the native people and the Cherokee were very civilized and advanced. They even welcomed the white man and created alliances and drafted a constitution that was modeled after the US constitution, which was also modeled after the Mayflower Compact. The Cherokee Nation was acclimating and working with the US government and even had representatives. All that went to shit when Andrew Jackson found out their land had gold. Therefore he had to propagandize them as “savage” so that people would WANT them removed. Ergo the “Indian Removal Act.” The native people are better about caring for the land and understanding that humans are a part of the larger ecosystem and we have a lot to learn from them and their practices and mentalities. It was the unity between the two groups that made America great. It’s a little simplistic and short sighted to blanket all native people as “failing to thrive” as it’s just not true. But I also have great respect for Columbus because he didn’t have an easy job and if he hadn’t done his job, I wouldn’t be here. Acknowledging the indigenous people is a good thing. But so is acknowledging the pioneers and explorers. It doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive.
You nailed it far better than the author. The US govt has never honored their treaties, as we continue to see today.
Thank You!!! Well said!!!👍
🎯👏👏👏 YOU have proven in these few paragraphs that you have a huge heart and are very wise! Mr. DeSchool must have not known that the native people had been living & thriving here for THOUSANDS of years! Even the Romans & Egyptians didn't last as long! What Europeans called immigration to North America really turned into to an invasion of this continent, starting with the Spanish! The Vikings, who came before the rest of Europe, realized this wasn't un populated land and acted accordingly. So... America does have alot of blood on her hands, let's be honest. And let's all vote for Kamala & Tim!!✌️🌊
Thank you SO much for your kind words! I DO have a big heart & love all life and all of Creation. I FULLY believe our best days are ahead of us if we’re willing to learn from each other. I might choose to vote for a different team based on my belief that they are better positioned to save the Republic, but it sounds like we share a willingness to understand that often history can paint a different picture of reality and there are always many sides of a story. I chuckle when people say this nation began in 1776…the signing of The Declaration of Independence was certainly pivotal and then the Constitution was signed in 1787 and those are beautiful things worth defending & preserving. But this land and her people have been here thriving and blossoming & blooming LONG before that document was put in place or the Revolutionary War ended. Those are important parts of our history, but they’re only one part of the beauty of this land where ALL people and people groups should have the opportunity to sow their gifts & abilities to yield a crop 100-fold that benefits all of humanity. So many blessings to you and thank you for your great perspective.
And people say women aren't ready for the White House! WOW! Your post made my eyes well up... With people like us we can't miss!!😉 TY for your kind words, my faith restored, have a fabulous day!🌊🤍❤️🤙
In honor of Indigenous People's Day, I demand the District of COLUMBIA be immediately evacuated and returned to its rightful owners.
🙌
You mean the Washington Redskins?
But....what if the legacy of CC could be unburdened by what has been and a new narrative was disseminated that Chris Columbus was a gender-fluid pansexual, race-fluid (like Kamala) with pronouns "They/Them/They," a pantheistic atheist humanist who came to the Americas to proselytize Marxism, before Marx?
“Every culture institutionalizes certain forms of behavior that communicate and encourage certain forms of thinking and acting, thus moulding the character of its citizens. To the degree that the individual is made an object of constant mental manipulation, to the degree that cultural institutions may tend to weaken intellectual and spiritual strength, to the degree that knowledge of the mind is used to tame and condition people instead of educating them, to that degree does the culture itself produce men and women who are predisposed to accept an authoritarian way of life.”
This Orwell 1984 tshirt is perfect for these times: t.co/EKkMWeTAPG
Love this!
Everything we have done as a society to right the supposed wrongs for the indigenous peoples have been unmitigated disasters. From allowing countries within a country and now legalizing accessible gambling which has ruined countless lives has done nothing to help society as a whole. My ancestry is German, but the Brits created a superior way of life. It is ok to admit someone else did things better than your ancestors as you are now able to reap those benefits by assimilating into it.
Your statements about gambling are unsubstantiated whining. A flat statement that “behavior that is in category X for some X ‘has ruined countless lives’” is almost always false. It fails the smell test… if it is so awful, why is it legal and why do so many people enjoy it? Projecting addiction onto categories of behavior presupposes that the activity is to blame for the addiction. The reality is that people with addictive behavior problems can get addicted to almost anything… and people without those problems can do the same things without developing addictions.
Judeo-Christian is a distinctly American concept not shared then or now by Europeans. It is worth noting that 1492 is the year that Spain expelled the Jews, a practice that was common to all European countries at one time or another. The European Christians may have been the beneficiaries of Jewish thought but the concept of fusion was alien to them. American support for Israel dates from 1640, before the US or modern Israel existed. Hamilton and Madison were both literate in Hebrew and that intellectual tradition informed the drafting of the Constitution.
That aside, Columbus did start the process of bringing what we now call Western thought to the US and for that he should be honored. It is ridiculous to blame him for the near annihilation of the Indians by diseases he didn't understand any better than they did. It is even more ridiculous to blame the US which wouldn't exist for another 3 centuries.
The Aztec Empire was one held together by violence and human sacrifice. Cortez defeated the Aztecs in part because he had a number of indigenous allies fighting alongside his Conquistadores.
The Mayan civilization collapsed centuries before Columbus happened on the scene.
The Missippian culture declined well before the Spaniards made it north into North America, and one of the major Missippian settlements, Cahokia, went into decline by 1400--again, well before the Europeans arrived.
European diseases--to which the indigenous populations did not have any resistance, having been isolated from the rest of humanity within the Western Hemisphere for some 10,000 years--were merely the finishing blow of cultures that had already reached a zenith and were in decline.
Why those declines happened is a fascinating question, and one which naturally invites the "what if?" hypothesizing of what would have evolved in the western hemisphere but for Columbus reaching the West Indies.
However, people should not pretend that the indigenous cultures of the Western Hemisphere were not already in decline--and were in many ways stymied in their technological evolution. Without horses or oxen, or any similar draft animal, the transportation technologies necessary for long-haul overland commerce could never arise. Thus trade networks in the western hemisphere never became the socio-economic and cultural force that they were in Bronze Age Mesopotamia or Iron Age Europe and onward.
Without draft animals, overland transport of large amounts of trade goods is a logistical impossibility.
It is fascinating to ponder "what if" the native cultures of the Western Hemisphere had not been disrupted by the arrival of Europeans, but it is highly likely that whatever cultures evolved without the influence of the Europeans would have remained technologically stilted.
Overland travel and trade while not impossible was very difficult in the Old World until the coming of the railroad. Most trade was seaborne. Armies could move if they lived off the land.
Sorry, but this rant is downright racist . It fails utterly acknowledge the brutal treatment of the indigenous populations of North & South America by invading Europeans beginning with Columbus , leading to Cortez and other brutal Spanish conquerers all the way to the near destruction of the indigenous languages and cultures of the Native Americans in the US and Canada .
Yes, the indigenous peoples of the so-called "new world" were constantly fighting and killing each other before Columbus , but the same was true of the various nations and empires of Europe ; the inquisitions, the slaughter of Jews , Catholics and Protestants killing each other, the witch hunts which spread to Puritan New England, the Crusades , where the crusaders slaughtered many peaceful Muslims who were not a threat to them, and on and on and on .
So many indigenous "New World " peoples died because they had no immunity to the viruses brought in by Europeans . Columbus brutally murdered so many indigenous tribesmen of the Caribbean , enslaved them and put them to work in mines where they were brutally worked to death . In the US and Canada, Native American children were forced to be "reeducated " ,learn English and were severely punished for speaking their native languages .
The result ? Hardly any American Indians in the US still speak their ancestral languages and are confined to reservations where they live in abject poverty . It wasn't pretty . Remember the 19th century saying "The only goodIndian is a dead Indian . The indigenous peoples of North and South America were forced to become Christians and denied the right to their traditional spiritual beliefs and rituals .
The indigenous peoples of North and South America did not "need" to be converted to Christianity or to be subject to "Judeo-Christian" beliefs . They had their own ancient moral codes which served them perfectly well . They did not need the 10 Commandments at all . Western culture and Christianity did not make them better people .
Yes, the past is the past and there is no way the native Americans can return to life as it was before Columbus . But we should not glorify Columbus , who was not motivated with good intentions when he and his crew discovered the native inhabitants . Nor were Cortez and other conquerers . They were motivated by greed and lust for personal fame . The native peoples were expendable to them . They lusted after the plentiful gold and other things Europeans craved .
And the Aztecs , Mayans and Incas et al had advanced civilizations , created flourishing cities which were far more sanitary than European ones , had great expertise in mathematics, science, astronomy, & architecture etc . And even the conquering Spaniards admitted that native physicians were far better than the ones they brought with them . They benefitted greatly from being treated by the native medical techniques and surgery .
Your rant is far more obnoxious than the one which you are trying to dis. It uses all sorts of Marxist doublespeak which cannot be resolved against reality… which is the reason Marxists use it. They can’t be pinned down to statements that don’t mean anything in the first place.
http://www.kofc.org/en/news-room/columbia/2020/september/five-myths-about-columbus.html
You made the authors point by having a tantrum about the evil Europeans.
Excellent honest and factually supported analysis and commentary on what sadly has become for the Left, just another misused weapon to attack the people, conservatives, that see things for their substance and not their own personal means of shamefully attacking modern day conservative thoughts and practices.
Long live Columbus Day.
Best day of the year.
You are so filled with it! The Judeo/Christian world view is all about superiority & greed! Columbus bumped into the Western Hemisphere because he was bought by Ferdinand & Isabela to find the RICHES of the Indies! The People of the Western Hemisphere were happy with their present & spiritual lives. For the most part they lived in harmony with the Nature around them!
I am not & have never been since I was born a religious person. My parents were not & both sets of grandparents had dumped religion when they became thinking intelligent adults. You need to review your Judeo/Christian history! Right now, the Judeo part is Zionism & the genocide of people they think are scum & have no reason to live!
You’ve been conditioned to hate Christianity. Read another perspective from that of the Marxist professors. Remember, it’s history over 500 years ago. Don’t apply your value system today to the times of discovery.
http://www.kofc.org/en/news-room/columbia/2020/september/five-myths-about-columbus.html
You are totally wrong!!! I have many close friends who are Christians, Jews, Muslims & Buddhists. I worked for a Catholic Women's college for 3 years & learned the inside pretty well! I have no problem with your ideology, however, keep in your own home and don't push it onto other people! I simply DO NOT go along with the patriarchal organized domineering religions!
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
- The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
https://sevencircumstances.com/2018/06/15/the-mystery-of-the-misquoted-quote-from-the-man-who-shot-liberty-valance/
This is why our fight for the truth of pandemic, its protocols, elections, gender, climate, etc is so difficult but so very, very necessary. Because once it sets in as the legend we will never succeed in having the facts ever printed and widely known.
You are not a thinking intelligent adult. Thinking intelligent adults are not reductionist idiots that write off whole traditions with a few platitudinous complaints.
This is your finest work.
They gon come for you for this one
I have an idea Leave if you don't like it instead of changing EVERYTHING we know
The issue I always find amusing is the way these nativists always portray the American Indians as living in harmony with each other Indian "nation," when the opposite is far closer to the truth. These Indian Nations fought with each other over territory like most people wouldn't believe, especially once they've been treated to the Disney Fantasy Factory of American Civilization.
One additional note: I will continue to refer to them as American Indians as long as the knuckleheads that classify people will continue to use the terms African-American and Asian-American, along with all other forms of hyphenated Americans that Theodore Roosevelt railed against over 100 years ago.
I think there is room for a little editing.
Harris should have stressed the need to not shy away from this shameful most recent past and call for action to address the ongoing impact of those historical injustices on the people in the pathway of geoengineered weather control system that our DOD implemented that has destroyed the land in various parts of the United States. People are currently suffering from having their homes destroyed. Their lives tossed in the bin with domestic terrorists' bio - weapon whom have yet been brought to justice. The promised help from FEMA is a joke. Have we even collected all the bodies yet? Whether it be for Linthium mining or the start of the New World Order 15 minute cities, injustices must be recognized to save our democracy and for the humanity of all races. Thank you.
The Haudenosaunee (formerly the Iroquois) wanted to do that, but New York State was utterly ruthless in dealing with them. HM King George III banned white settlement in their lands, but the Revolutionary War ended that. Some of them did cross into “the Canadas” (as Ontario and Quebec were known back then), but there was never a First Nations princely state, as he had intended.
"Vice President Kamala Harris delivered a speech Monday"
Not that it really matters, but if your second video is correct, the first video was done in 2021, not 2024.