Yes, that poll is fascinating and bizarre but not surprising. What is immensely depressing is the vast bulk of people who go along unthinkingly with whatever the government pushes on them. They are the reason we are really in trouble - without the compliance of the majority, the government would get nowhere with its evil plots.
It's not like we have been fed complete and utter BS these past 2 years via Covid. Some of us also saw what the reality was like on the ground in Ottawa vs the fantastical load of cow **** that was fed to us by the legacy media. As soon as Ukraine hit I saw the same brown manure being spread all over again.
"a maternity hospital was attacked in mariupol". "there is no maternity hospital nearby"
the literal center of primary care is RIGHT THERE "Center of Primary Health Care №3", the " Центр первинної медико-санітарної допомоги №3 "
" Welcome to the "War on Fakes" project. We are the owners and administrators of several Russian non-political telegram channels. "
"We don't do politics"
Are you kidding me? They don't even supply sources. They're not an unbiased third party. They're the counter-position telling you everything is okay and to not worry, and apparently, because they disagree with the mainstream, that makes them credible to you.
Neither is credible lol.
"Complaints in social networks confirm this."
ok
" For example, Kyiv considers it unacceptable to evacuate people to Russia. "
no kidding they are at war?
" As a result, green corridors in Mariupol, for example, have not started to work so far."
gee I wonder why
"Since the beginning of March, the average daily index has grown by 0.5% in comparison to February rates."
When oil supply gets strangled the number goes up??
Using price as a reference for production??
Sorry but this website has about as much credibility as CNN.
Rachel those corridors in Mariuipol aren't "working" because Ukrainan battalions are beating up their fellow Ukrainians and tying them up to lamp posts:
Yes. We now know how Nazi Germany happened. Not to exaggerate but the dynamic is the same even if thankfully we haven't reached that point of depravity.
Thanks. What is the saying. . . "These are the times that try men's souls." I would say "it is times like these that expose men's and women's true character. " (and it isn't all pretty though much of it is glorious if you look for it.)
Yes. The glorious flip side of this whole mess is finding the beautiful, true, and good people who remain. We likely never would have forged these connections otherwise.
And the media, manipulators of good threads of humanity, like compassion, responsibility to protect .. diversity .. equality, inclusion .. autonomy .. responsibility .. all these things turned inside out and distorted ... Toronto Star was one of the most divisive ..
Academy of Ideas makes short videos from remnants of advice ancestors who lived through totalitarian "leaders" and pivotal times. Maybe (maybe?), souls can remember, how time and time again, tyranny got its foothold by the people being too trusting of official information purveryors, and not trusting enough of each other ....
I think that people who have received multiple injections must be the type who still believe controlled media. That type of mentality would also lead them to believe the Ukraine narrative that is being broadcast.
Ironically, has the pro-vaccine crowd heard that Ukrainians are largely uninterested in getting any of the Covid vaccines? As I commented on Euggypius’ sub stack post today, I am helping a Ukrainian refugee family settle here in Vienna, Austria. They have lost their family business (hotel and restaurant) in Ukraine and I had to explain to them that they would not be allowed into a cafe or restaurant in Vienna right now, except for the 9 year old who could take a PCR test valid for 72 hours. They looked at me in shock but were not interested in finding out where to get vaccinated and I did not offer. Heartbreaking.
They don’t necessarily submit to authority. Think of them while Trump was POTUS. Rather, they submit to the herd. They are not capable of independent thought and instead look to their peers or “influencers” on what to think or how to behave. The worst punishment for them is to be cast aside or mocked by their in group. OTOH, myself and others like me, do our own research, our own thinking, and then act based on that, despite what our peers might think or do. Governments hate us!
Actually, even when Trump was president, even though they hated him more than they’ve ever hated anyone, they still wanted him to assume emergency powers to dictate manufacturing, etc. That’s how far their authoritarianism goes.
Thats ridiculous. Many many are Trump supporters. He made the vaccine happen. How quickly people are forgetting that because a bunch of lefty garbage companies are firing people for not taking it. Thats wrong but stop disparaging us that did. We have our reasons too. Thats medical freedom or have you all forgotten that too. Convenient.
couldn't agree more with this......imagine doing our own research as to what the Russia/ Ukraine thing is all about then divulging any sort of comments, rather than sticking a Ukraine flag on your profile , replacing the masked photo etc......
fascinatingly to me, in my locality which is extremely liberal, someone posted on Nextdoor to ask if anyone objected to their placing a Ukrainian flag in their yard as a show of support. A great many respondents said, "why are you asking for permission? This is a free country. Do what you want and don't worry about offending anyone." A great many other respondents contributed their support and shared what they were doing in their yards to show solidarity with Ukraine. (the correct response, judging by the number of likes).
Out of sheer curiosity, I'd be curious to see how far the unquestioningly compliant will go if the government and media tells them to. If the government said, and the media backed up that people should eat dog poop because it's good for their health and will help support the Ukrainians, I wonder how many would actually go out and do it? From my experience with these zombies, I would throw out a guess of around 50%. The other 50% would say they want to do it, but they can't because they have a dog poop allergy.
The really extraordinary thing about "those who accept the government narrative, because they are under the impression that these authority figures are here to help us" is that they make this choice after a two-decade series of giant frauds made possible by corrupt authority, like the FDA writing a warning label saying that OxyContin is believed to be less addictive, or the rating agencies giving AAA ratings to garbage mortgage derivatives. To reflexively believe the "experts" and the authorities at this point is to be completely unable to learn from experience.
I am also puzzled by this. Certainly one of the factors has to be the government control over the education system. What school is going to teach students to be skeptical of their leaders, when the leaders determine what gets taught in school?
It’s just like Orwell said in a letter written in 1948: the real divide is not between conservatives and revolutionaries, but between libertarians and authoritarians.
Do they know that Ukrainian regions were in a more or less strict covid lockdown right before the invasion? https://en.thepage.ua/news/online-coronavirus-map-ukraines-zone-division (there is a typo in the English version, it should be February 22 like on the map). And now, having a real war, it's abundantly clear how fake the "war on the virus" was. This should be a wake up call and inspire everybody to think what nonsense they have been following for the past 2 years.
This is the Mass Formation idea in effect - the most ardent devotees in the Covid cult are terrified of not having an object to define their anxiety. These people are desperate to not return to the pre-Covid life of feeling lonely and disordered, so if sign up for the next insanity then they can stay in a tribe and continue to feel a sense of community and order. Seems this is about 25%-30% of the US population. I suppose the good news here is that 70% or so are NOT in the cult and are not calling for nuclear armegeddon.
Yes in their own minds the Covidians are now heroes and finally their lives have meaning. They can puff out their chests and proudly display their boosted status and how superior they are to the unclean
I would expect those most eagerly vaccinated would swallow whatever russian propaganda is being used in Moscow. So the the most boosted might have the OPPOSITE answers as the Toronto Star results
Yes, that poll is fascinating and bizarre but not surprising. What is immensely depressing is the vast bulk of people who go along unthinkingly with whatever the government pushes on them. They are the reason we are really in trouble - without the compliance of the majority, the government would get nowhere with its evil plots.
It's not like we have been fed complete and utter BS these past 2 years via Covid. Some of us also saw what the reality was like on the ground in Ottawa vs the fantastical load of cow **** that was fed to us by the legacy media. As soon as Ukraine hit I saw the same brown manure being spread all over again.
This is a good site to counter the BS. https://waronfakes.com/civil/
"a maternity hospital was attacked in mariupol". "there is no maternity hospital nearby"
the literal center of primary care is RIGHT THERE "Center of Primary Health Care №3", the " Центр первинної медико-санітарної допомоги №3 "
" Welcome to the "War on Fakes" project. We are the owners and administrators of several Russian non-political telegram channels. "
"We don't do politics"
Are you kidding me? They don't even supply sources. They're not an unbiased third party. They're the counter-position telling you everything is okay and to not worry, and apparently, because they disagree with the mainstream, that makes them credible to you.
Neither is credible lol.
"Complaints in social networks confirm this."
ok
" For example, Kyiv considers it unacceptable to evacuate people to Russia. "
no kidding they are at war?
" As a result, green corridors in Mariupol, for example, have not started to work so far."
gee I wonder why
"Since the beginning of March, the average daily index has grown by 0.5% in comparison to February rates."
When oil supply gets strangled the number goes up??
Using price as a reference for production??
Sorry but this website has about as much credibility as CNN.
Rachel those corridors in Mariuipol aren't "working" because Ukrainan battalions are beating up their fellow Ukrainians and tying them up to lamp posts:
https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/sadistic-abuse-of-civilians-in-mariupol?r=9834u&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
As Zuby said, I had no many idea how many statist bootlickers were out there, and history makes sense now.
Yes. We now know how Nazi Germany happened. Not to exaggerate but the dynamic is the same even if thankfully we haven't reached that point of depravity.
Yes, the demonization of groups of people and the "this is for the betterment of all" mentality.
This is actually a very profound way to put it.
Thanks. What is the saying. . . "These are the times that try men's souls." I would say "it is times like these that expose men's and women's true character. " (and it isn't all pretty though much of it is glorious if you look for it.)
Yes. The glorious flip side of this whole mess is finding the beautiful, true, and good people who remain. We likely never would have forged these connections otherwise.
And the media, manipulators of good threads of humanity, like compassion, responsibility to protect .. diversity .. equality, inclusion .. autonomy .. responsibility .. all these things turned inside out and distorted ... Toronto Star was one of the most divisive ..
Academy of Ideas makes short videos from remnants of advice ancestors who lived through totalitarian "leaders" and pivotal times. Maybe (maybe?), souls can remember, how time and time again, tyranny got its foothold by the people being too trusting of official information purveryors, and not trusting enough of each other ....
https://academyofideas.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/academyofideas/featured
That is a great channel, too bad it's on You Tube.
I think that people who have received multiple injections must be the type who still believe controlled media. That type of mentality would also lead them to believe the Ukraine narrative that is being broadcast.
Exactly my thought
That type of mentality will get them killed.
One of the best posts I have read in quite some time, regardless of author.
Agree
Ironically, has the pro-vaccine crowd heard that Ukrainians are largely uninterested in getting any of the Covid vaccines? As I commented on Euggypius’ sub stack post today, I am helping a Ukrainian refugee family settle here in Vienna, Austria. They have lost their family business (hotel and restaurant) in Ukraine and I had to explain to them that they would not be allowed into a cafe or restaurant in Vienna right now, except for the 9 year old who could take a PCR test valid for 72 hours. They looked at me in shock but were not interested in finding out where to get vaccinated and I did not offer. Heartbreaking.
So much for escaping to freedom.
They don’t necessarily submit to authority. Think of them while Trump was POTUS. Rather, they submit to the herd. They are not capable of independent thought and instead look to their peers or “influencers” on what to think or how to behave. The worst punishment for them is to be cast aside or mocked by their in group. OTOH, myself and others like me, do our own research, our own thinking, and then act based on that, despite what our peers might think or do. Governments hate us!
Actually, even when Trump was president, even though they hated him more than they’ve ever hated anyone, they still wanted him to assume emergency powers to dictate manufacturing, etc. That’s how far their authoritarianism goes.
Thats ridiculous. Many many are Trump supporters. He made the vaccine happen. How quickly people are forgetting that because a bunch of lefty garbage companies are firing people for not taking it. Thats wrong but stop disparaging us that did. We have our reasons too. Thats medical freedom or have you all forgotten that too. Convenient.
Mass formation psychosis in action
Makes me wonder if the jab has some brain altering effect that dumbs people down
They were dumb before, now chipped and dumber :)
couldn't agree more with this......imagine doing our own research as to what the Russia/ Ukraine thing is all about then divulging any sort of comments, rather than sticking a Ukraine flag on your profile , replacing the masked photo etc......
fascinatingly to me, in my locality which is extremely liberal, someone posted on Nextdoor to ask if anyone objected to their placing a Ukrainian flag in their yard as a show of support. A great many respondents said, "why are you asking for permission? This is a free country. Do what you want and don't worry about offending anyone." A great many other respondents contributed their support and shared what they were doing in their yards to show solidarity with Ukraine. (the correct response, judging by the number of likes).
People live for "the likes," these days.
Wow.
Out of sheer curiosity, I'd be curious to see how far the unquestioningly compliant will go if the government and media tells them to. If the government said, and the media backed up that people should eat dog poop because it's good for their health and will help support the Ukrainians, I wonder how many would actually go out and do it? From my experience with these zombies, I would throw out a guess of around 50%. The other 50% would say they want to do it, but they can't because they have a dog poop allergy.
They are already telling people to get used to eating bugs LOL so we aren't that far off from "Dog Poop Poutine".
The really extraordinary thing about "those who accept the government narrative, because they are under the impression that these authority figures are here to help us" is that they make this choice after a two-decade series of giant frauds made possible by corrupt authority, like the FDA writing a warning label saying that OxyContin is believed to be less addictive, or the rating agencies giving AAA ratings to garbage mortgage derivatives. To reflexively believe the "experts" and the authorities at this point is to be completely unable to learn from experience.
I am also puzzled by this. Certainly one of the factors has to be the government control over the education system. What school is going to teach students to be skeptical of their leaders, when the leaders determine what gets taught in school?
It’s just like Orwell said in a letter written in 1948: the real divide is not between conservatives and revolutionaries, but between libertarians and authoritarians.
Do they know that Ukrainian regions were in a more or less strict covid lockdown right before the invasion? https://en.thepage.ua/news/online-coronavirus-map-ukraines-zone-division (there is a typo in the English version, it should be February 22 like on the map). And now, having a real war, it's abundantly clear how fake the "war on the virus" was. This should be a wake up call and inspire everybody to think what nonsense they have been following for the past 2 years.
This is the Mass Formation idea in effect - the most ardent devotees in the Covid cult are terrified of not having an object to define their anxiety. These people are desperate to not return to the pre-Covid life of feeling lonely and disordered, so if sign up for the next insanity then they can stay in a tribe and continue to feel a sense of community and order. Seems this is about 25%-30% of the US population. I suppose the good news here is that 70% or so are NOT in the cult and are not calling for nuclear armegeddon.
Yes in their own minds the Covidians are now heroes and finally their lives have meaning. They can puff out their chests and proudly display their boosted status and how superior they are to the unclean
Until the jab makes them sick. :)
Even more fascinating would be to poll the Russian citizens about the war and see if their answers self-divide on vaccination lines.
I would expect those most eagerly vaccinated would swallow whatever russian propaganda is being used in Moscow. So the the most boosted might have the OPPOSITE answers as the Toronto Star results
That would be a very interesting comparison.
Nailed it. Or, Sheeple vs. non-sheeple.
Maybe the triple-vaxxed ww3ers are just suicidal. Too bad they're trying to drag the rest of us along for the ride.