Once the baby/fetus is separated from the mother, then yes, it becomes an individual. My argument was only in favor of the right of the woman to detach the fetus/baby from her body, not to kill him after that...
Once the baby/fetus is separated from the mother, then yes, it becomes an individual. My argument was only in favor of the right of the woman to detach the fetus/baby from her body, not to kill him after that...
I would pretty much guess, thiago, that you are a male. A woman who has been pregnant KNOWS that the human inside her is an individual. All one has to do is have two pregnancies to understand that. Each baby has its own personality from conception. As a woman, I was keenly aware of the human inside of me almost from the start.
This is part of the Depopulation agenda. And to tie the abortion question into "A Woman's Right to Choose" ignores the fact that she had many choices before she became pregnant. To have or not have sex, to have or not have protected sex, to use or not use contraceptives, and even in the case of unwanted sex - to use or not to use the "morning after pill."
All these are real choices. To kill or to not kill the human being you have been able to carry is not a "Choice." Well, it's the same choice as, say, to kill or not to kill the guy sitting on the train who looked at you funny. Once they are conceived, you have only one moral choice and that is to prevent the pregnancy from happening. I am ok with the morning after pill as that sperm and egg have not gotten busy yet.
But most men who are trying to be "fair" miss one very important point. A lot of these abortions are either from fear, or they are part of a larger issue -- the sale of infant organs. Planned Parenthood, as exposed by David Daleidan, is running a ginormous organ harvesting scheme that most Liberals and many sleeping conservatives ignore.
And, don't forget that the most vociferous critics of the Texas abortion law along with other such states, are the Satanists. Ahh, but people like you, Thiago, don't really believe those crazy "conspiracy" theories about Satanists using PP for child sacrifices. I didn't either until I watched a documentary on SatanCon. Yeah, that's a thing. And child sacrifice is far more real and happens more often than civilized society wants to admit.
As I said, I don't think that women should abort fetuses. But if they want to, it is their body and they have every right to dispose of their own body *at any time* (in particular regardless of their previous choices of having sex).
Who are you (or me or anyone else) to send armed men to force anyone to do anything that they don't want with their own body when this person did not commit any violence against another individual? Are we going to enslave her until she gives birth? And if she stops eating, do we force her? This entire discussion is absurd for anyone that respects other individuals.
It is tyrannical to impose your preferences on other people.
PS: Fetuses are not individuals. They cannot live without leaching on their mothers. Mothers are individuals because they don't need to leech on anyone. That is the difference. You can read Ayn Rand for a better explanation if you want.
Ahh the old 'leeching" argument. It's BS and you know it. So a person on life support should also be murdered? The problem here is that it's not HER body.
If you get an abortion and you dont' die, it's NOT YOUR BODY AND THEREFORE NOT YOUR CHOICE. You are merely spouting the tired old tropes from 50 years of brainwashing by the Eugenicists. And Ayn Rand was an atheist. Just because she wrote a book doesn't make all her work above question. I have published 8 books.
A FETUS is the name they gave the baby to make killing it easier. I know so many women who got caught up in the killing frenzy of "abortion rights" and now have found they can't conceive. It's heartbreaking.
Which brings me, Thiago, to one more point: Abortion in the near future will be an anomaly. It turns out that women who got the Vax are discovering their wombs will no longer carry a child. Most vaxxed women are now barren. Planned murderhood knows it's almost out of business because of this. Which is why they are now moving towards the Trans Surgery business. Their organ harvesting business will be going away. And since a lot of Conservative women did not get the vax, it will be Conservatives who are having the babies and not the Liberal women.
Interesting decade we have ahead of ourselves.
And dear, exactly in what context do you believe that "armed men" will be sent to force a woman to carry a baby? Is this one of your fantasies? Or do you watch too much TV and bought into the bullshit narrative of A Handmaids Tale? (which is a liberal-bias, not one that Conservatives embrace...)
You are so off base on this that the mind boggles.
"exactly in what context do you believe that "armed men" will be sent to force a woman to carry a baby?"
Seriously? How do *you* think that you force people to do as you tell them if not by sending armed men after them?!? :o Because if you are just going there without a gun, I would simply suggest women to start buying guns and not even listen to the person telling them that they cannot abort.
"So a person on life support should also be murdered?": How did you come up with this conclusion? :o Is the person on life support leeching on another individual? Can he only survive by controlling another individual against his will? This comparison makes no sense...
I mentioned Ayn Rand so you can read a better explanation. But I respect you as a sovereign individual. You read it if you want only. Your choice of what to do with your body. :)
Once the baby/fetus is separated from the mother, then yes, it becomes an individual. My argument was only in favor of the right of the woman to detach the fetus/baby from her body, not to kill him after that...
I would pretty much guess, thiago, that you are a male. A woman who has been pregnant KNOWS that the human inside her is an individual. All one has to do is have two pregnancies to understand that. Each baby has its own personality from conception. As a woman, I was keenly aware of the human inside of me almost from the start.
This is part of the Depopulation agenda. And to tie the abortion question into "A Woman's Right to Choose" ignores the fact that she had many choices before she became pregnant. To have or not have sex, to have or not have protected sex, to use or not use contraceptives, and even in the case of unwanted sex - to use or not to use the "morning after pill."
All these are real choices. To kill or to not kill the human being you have been able to carry is not a "Choice." Well, it's the same choice as, say, to kill or not to kill the guy sitting on the train who looked at you funny. Once they are conceived, you have only one moral choice and that is to prevent the pregnancy from happening. I am ok with the morning after pill as that sperm and egg have not gotten busy yet.
But most men who are trying to be "fair" miss one very important point. A lot of these abortions are either from fear, or they are part of a larger issue -- the sale of infant organs. Planned Parenthood, as exposed by David Daleidan, is running a ginormous organ harvesting scheme that most Liberals and many sleeping conservatives ignore.
And, don't forget that the most vociferous critics of the Texas abortion law along with other such states, are the Satanists. Ahh, but people like you, Thiago, don't really believe those crazy "conspiracy" theories about Satanists using PP for child sacrifices. I didn't either until I watched a documentary on SatanCon. Yeah, that's a thing. And child sacrifice is far more real and happens more often than civilized society wants to admit.
As I said, I don't think that women should abort fetuses. But if they want to, it is their body and they have every right to dispose of their own body *at any time* (in particular regardless of their previous choices of having sex).
Who are you (or me or anyone else) to send armed men to force anyone to do anything that they don't want with their own body when this person did not commit any violence against another individual? Are we going to enslave her until she gives birth? And if she stops eating, do we force her? This entire discussion is absurd for anyone that respects other individuals.
It is tyrannical to impose your preferences on other people.
PS: Fetuses are not individuals. They cannot live without leaching on their mothers. Mothers are individuals because they don't need to leech on anyone. That is the difference. You can read Ayn Rand for a better explanation if you want.
Ahh the old 'leeching" argument. It's BS and you know it. So a person on life support should also be murdered? The problem here is that it's not HER body.
If you get an abortion and you dont' die, it's NOT YOUR BODY AND THEREFORE NOT YOUR CHOICE. You are merely spouting the tired old tropes from 50 years of brainwashing by the Eugenicists. And Ayn Rand was an atheist. Just because she wrote a book doesn't make all her work above question. I have published 8 books.
A FETUS is the name they gave the baby to make killing it easier. I know so many women who got caught up in the killing frenzy of "abortion rights" and now have found they can't conceive. It's heartbreaking.
Which brings me, Thiago, to one more point: Abortion in the near future will be an anomaly. It turns out that women who got the Vax are discovering their wombs will no longer carry a child. Most vaxxed women are now barren. Planned murderhood knows it's almost out of business because of this. Which is why they are now moving towards the Trans Surgery business. Their organ harvesting business will be going away. And since a lot of Conservative women did not get the vax, it will be Conservatives who are having the babies and not the Liberal women.
Interesting decade we have ahead of ourselves.
And dear, exactly in what context do you believe that "armed men" will be sent to force a woman to carry a baby? Is this one of your fantasies? Or do you watch too much TV and bought into the bullshit narrative of A Handmaids Tale? (which is a liberal-bias, not one that Conservatives embrace...)
You are so off base on this that the mind boggles.
"exactly in what context do you believe that "armed men" will be sent to force a woman to carry a baby?"
Seriously? How do *you* think that you force people to do as you tell them if not by sending armed men after them?!? :o Because if you are just going there without a gun, I would simply suggest women to start buying guns and not even listen to the person telling them that they cannot abort.
"So a person on life support should also be murdered?": How did you come up with this conclusion? :o Is the person on life support leeching on another individual? Can he only survive by controlling another individual against his will? This comparison makes no sense...
I mentioned Ayn Rand so you can read a better explanation. But I respect you as a sovereign individual. You read it if you want only. Your choice of what to do with your body. :)