Rather than writing a conclusory piece advocating expansion of the retaliaton, I was hoping your approach would first include peeling back the onion of geopolitics plus some analysis of how this extremely highly guarded border could have been breached in the first place against one of the most well armored and equipped militaries bar none. Before cheerleading for escalation and revenge in any conflict, some rational analysis and investigation is needed.
https://www.sott.net/article/484970-Israel-in-state-of-war-with-Hamas-after-Palestinian-militants-launch-unprecedented-incursion-into-Israel-UPDATES#comment475653 False flag!!! I’ll spare you the videos, but my morning started with my father sending me videos of IDF soldiers slaughtered in their barracks still in just their underwear, to which both of us as former service people ourselves immediately agreed that it’s im-fucking-possible! I did a service with IDF and have been to most bases in the south, and the ones close to the borders are always on highest level security alert: armed guards on towers 24/7 and all personnel are required to carry their personal weapons at all times… including sleeping with it literally under your mattress exactly for such situations! So how the hell could a group of Palestinians break into a base and make it all the way to the barracks unnoticed and unheard? I saw the media trying to sell a story that Iranians provided some equipment that jammed the electronically monitored fence, but any disturbance immediately notifies command and control center in Israel’s equivalent of the pentagon and someone would be immediately in touch with the bases’ commanders especially in the middle of the night. But even if that story is true, where were the night guards not to see the combatants approaching and alert everyone? With bases neutralized, there were no one to come to help the civilians in the area… how convenient.
https://twitter.com/Dr_logicaI/status/1710794054953553927 ex-IDF soldier explains that the events that took place today are impossible. She was a border observer with the highest tech available. "If a bird came close we knew" "Even even a cockroach came to our fenced border we knew" "How did 400 hamas pass through today"?
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update I served in the IDF 25 years ago, in the intelligence forces. There’s no way Israel did not know of what’s coming. A cat moving alongside the fence is triggering all forces. So this?? What happened to the “strongest army in the world”? How come border crossings were wide open?? Something is VERY WRONG HERE, something is very strange, this chain of events is very unusual and not typical for the Israeli defense system.
I side with the IDF / Former IDF folks on this one. LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose). The Egyptian intel warned Israel that "something big is coming soon" and were met with indifference.
No mention in the Israeli or Western press about the gun control in Israel. Pity nobody could shoot back isn't it.
"Netanyahu and his ultra-right coalition partners might be interested in launching a new war to divert from their attempts to change the secular state of Israel into a religious led one. Large color-revolution like protests have been held against that and Netanyahu's project of putting (secular) supreme court judgments under (religious led) parliament revision is currently on hold.
A 'nice little war' might be a welcome distraction and a way to silently revive the matter."
Of course not, but citing former IDF is helpful for the gullible peeps who should hear from much more experienced people than your typical substack commenter.
It appears that zionists aren't required to be rational, no peeling back the onion of geopolitics necessary. They have been advocating for the destruction of all middle eastern countries for decades and they will drag the US into it, you can bet on it. In there way of thinking, there is always someone out there to destroy them. This crap is getting so old. We've never had so many hated enemies in the middle east until we had such a great ally in Israel. The very same ally that produced one of the most damaging espionage cases against the US and was then given a hero's welcome when he was released from prison and returned to israel. When will people start to connect the dots on when the troubles began in that region of the world to the problems of today.
What's your point? America has been funding countries around the world for decades always with its own interests at heart. Fomenting wars since the Spanish war at the turn of century, which most historians believe was a false flag attack on the Maine. We have destabilized countries in South America, Latin America and the Middle East. We instigated the overthrow of Mosaddegh. This shit has been going on for a long time. There isn't an historian worth a shit that does not agree that the Roosevelt administration was not aware of what would happen at Pearl, but it is known as a "sneak attack". Israel is well represented in the US congress and biden's administration is like the knesset so are you saying the US is wanting Israel to do down in flames? I don't know what your point is.
I agree with you to a point. All of these wars are designed to destroy the nation state in preparation for the one government one religion world. That any one country is calling the shots, I don’t believe. That there are many, as Don Corleoni would call Pezzonovante are pushing this. They have no allegiance to any country or any moral code. If that’s what you are saying, I agree.
So we agree ! That’s my only point that none of what we see or argue about is worth arguing about
As there’s only one thing that needs mentioning and addressing - global control and global depopulation , regardless of any nation state - we all will drown in this
Jordan, you sound a little like Nikki Haley today of Fox where she urged Bibi to ‘finish them’. Here is that blood thirsty POTUS candidate in her own words:
What I think would go a lot farther than any Israeli tanks, bullets or bomb drops— is for Israel to lift up the blankets over all their dead, and ‘show’ those photos to the world. Show that Hamas is a brutal terrorist organization, who murdered women, children and families in their homes, on streets, at a music festival. Show exactly those photos without flinching.
When I looked at the CNN online photo feed today, I noticed dead Gazan’s, dead babies, etc. But not one face of an Israeli dead shown.
You’re missing the point. If the horrific still photos are not released by Israel, they cannot be shown by CNN or any other media outlets, and further sympathy for Israel cannot be generated. Maybe Hamas will cut off some hostage heads and post those videos and the point is mute.
Are you sure you know the full scope of Israeli propaganda? Why limit it to official press releases? That's not how this works.
All I've seen, in terms of gross carnage photos in the past three days, is Israeli dead and kidnapped. I don't know their sources. If you want to see some, just look. It's not hard to find.
Yeah, my point is that Israeli government could overtly release and show its victims to the World of Hamas brutality. Think of pics of the Holocaust. Those pics moved minds and hearts. Do the same here. Make the world see what Hamas has done without having to work for it.
Here comes the Shalom Slush Fund; it's already up to $8 billion+! Maybe another 50 years of conflict will settle things and benefit everyone. I wonder if the salafist Saudis were emboldened when the US Government blocked victims of 9/11 from suing them.
Every single R governor, politician, consultant, media voice who said they wanted Trumpism but not Trump, that the election was legit, Biden won, that Trump is unpresidential, that MAGA is hurting the GOP, that J6 was an insurrection and those in jail belong there, every single #NeverTrumper who did their best to make sure he lost, who colluded to steal his election and wishes he'd go away, just begin to know and understand that they preferred and prefer the death and carnage in Israel, and Ukraine, the invasion across our open borders, the genital mutilations of children, the Marxist indoctrination, the deaths and injuries of those forced to take the jabs against their will to this nation being led by Donald J Trump.
It's been a zero-sum game proposition. We live with Biden's policies we knew he supported, any denials he made we knew were campaign lies. The "there was no evidence of..." excuses were just that, accepted by those blinded by Trump hate. Wishes that we could get through four years of Biden so a "better, more presidential" R candidate would appear in 2024 were and remain BS self-delusions or intentional preferences for the predictable and predicted results of Biden's policies. Because, Orange Man Bad.
Zero-sum choice. They made. And many continue to make. No such thing as taking the good without the bad. They choose the bad we live with, the horrifying scenes from Israel over living with Trump's mean Tweets. Elections have consequences. Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences. Every single NeverTrumper R chose these catastrophic consequences. The blood as much on their hands as Hamas and Iran's. Biden's done what we had enough information to know Biden would do. If a snake eats a mouse dropped into its terrarium you don't blame the snake for eating it. You blame the person who dropped it in there. Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran are the hired assassins. In addition to holding the assassins accountable, destroying their will to kill as you describe, we'd get smart if we looked more closely at who put out the contracts for hire.
And the invasion across our border of the military age unaccompanied men is a Trojan horse invasion of those who wish to unleash the same type of horror on our communities. As Kari Lake shared yesterday, refugees bring their families with them to a new land. Warriors going to war leave their families at home. The same NeverTrumpers, R's and D's are allowing the invasion. Bringing the hired assassins here, to the US, to a community near you. Dumping snakes ready to eat us all around us. It's intentional. Not an accident or mistaken bad policy. It's the plan. As Israel prepares to destroy the Hamas hired assassins we had better prepare to prevent the hired assassins brought into our land from harming us the same way. And we had better go after those who are hiring them to kill us, the D's and R's in leadership, media, industry, who stole the 2020 election from the American people because they didn't want Bad Orange Man messing up their plans for us.
I don't think now is the time. These atrocities usually tie the into some symbolic date. 50th Anniversary Yom Kippur war. Benghazi on Sep 11 anniversary. You'll find connection to meaningful symbolic dates for many terrorist attacks.
Attack in US will be on a symbolic date. Or a date chosen for explicit purpose. And they're still building the size of their Trojan Horse army here.
What would a similar attack at vote centers on the morning of Election Day, 2024 do to the election? Postpone? Reduce turnout across the nation with voters too scared to go to polls? Have Biden stay in office with emergency power indefinitely, link to MAGA, ban opposition party like Zelensky did in Ukraine?
The army is here. Including many Hamas, Taliban, Hezbollah. Narco cartel gangs. Waiting to be activated. Brought into our borders by Obama, Biden, Clinton, Bush's. Ignored by McConnell, McCarthy, Cheney, Rove. Paid richer benefits by their budget agreement than US retirees and veterans. Ukraine's borders and graft more important than US's.
Those who reserve their anger for Trump and Patriots, give pass to Biden. Preferring the slaughter of Israeli children and grandmother's to the danger they say a Trump presidency poses. Knowing Biden's policies would lead to these results there. And coming soon here. "But at least it won't be the same existential threat to our nation and allies that Trump is!!" They say to themselves and us.
I don't believe the narrative they are putting forth. Sadly many people died and many are suffering. Israel has shown that it has no problem with false flag attacks from it's very foundation such as the King David hotel bombing and Deir Yassin massacre. You're going to tell me with the level of security of state of Israel that hamas would be successful pulling off a "sneak attack", come on. This is the same country that almost dragged the US into war in the middle east in the late sixties after they sunk the USS Liberty.
https://www.sott.net/article/484970-Israel-in-state-of-war-with-Hamas-after-Palestinian-militants-launch-unprecedented-incursion-into-Israel-UPDATES#comment475653 False flag!!! I’ll spare you the videos, but my morning started with my father sending me videos of IDF soldiers slaughtered in their barracks still in just their underwear, to which both of us as former service people ourselves immediately agreed that it’s im-fucking-possible! I did a service with IDF and have been to most bases in the south, and the ones close to the borders are always on highest level security alert: armed guards on towers 24/7 and all personnel are required to carry their personal weapons at all times… including sleeping with it literally under your mattress exactly for such situations! So how the hell could a group of Palestinians break into a base and make it all the way to the barracks unnoticed and unheard? I saw the media trying to sell a story that Iranians provided some equipment that jammed the electronically monitored fence, but any disturbance immediately notifies command and control center in Israel’s equivalent of the pentagon and someone would be immediately in touch with the bases’ commanders especially in the middle of the night. But even if that story is true, where were the night guards not to see the combatants approaching and alert everyone? With bases neutralized, there were no one to come to help the civilians in the area… how convenient.
https://twitter.com/Dr_logicaI/status/1710794054953553927 ex-IDF soldier explains that the events that took place today are impossible. She was a border observer with the highest tech available. "If a bird came close we knew" "Even even a cockroach came to our fenced border we knew" "How did 400 hamas pass through today"?
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update I served in the IDF 25 years ago, in the intelligence forces. There’s no way Israel did not know of what’s coming. A cat moving alongside the fence is triggering all forces. So this?? What happened to the “strongest army in the world”? How come border crossings were wide open?? Something is VERY WRONG HERE, something is very strange, this chain of events is very unusual and not typical for the Israeli defense system.
I'm sorry for the pain you must feel. I don't believe either of our governments and military personnel and citizens are the pawns. It strains the credulity of patriotism anymore. I am not a zionist but I also do not have animus against Jews or Arabs. I do have a great animus for governments and media however. I don't believe we will ever know the real truth in this life.
Because the rank and file of Hamas (and the Palestinians in general, apparently) would necessarily be pleased with the strike on Israel, as it "appeared" to be very effective, per the oh, so trustworthy mainstream media [cough, cough]. But the Mossad-controlled Hamas strike ultimately is a means to an end for Israel. You know what a patsy is, right? Hamas was the patsy.
The USA's own FBI is notorious for infiltrating "terrorist" groups (even mere animal rights groups) in order to end up directing the group to their own ends, even if merely to egg some patsies on to violence so that the FBI can then look like heroes for thwarting the bomb or the kidnapping that the FBI themselves were instrumental in instigating. More fame and larger annual budget for the FBI, those dedicated heroes!
Consider that leaders of state are rarely concerned about collateral damage when implementing their plots. Recall that Hermann Göring stated:
"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
"In July, 1954, an Israeli terrorist cell was activated inside Egypt. The ensuing attacks, cleverly designed to look like the work of Arabs, blasted and torched American and British targets. First, the Israeli terrorists firebombed the Alexandria Post Office. Then, they firebombed the US Information Agency libraries: one in Alexandria, and one in Cairo. Then, they firebombed a British-owned Metro-Goldwyn Mayer theatre, a railway terminal, the central post office, and a couple more theatres...
To smuggle their bombs inside the buildings, the terrorists used devices shaped like books, hiding them inside book covers. Once inside, bags filled with acid were placed on top of the nitroglycerin bombs. After several hours, the acid ate through the bags and ignited the nitroglycerin, causing explosions and blazing infernos.
In the early 1950s, the United States was making fast friends with Egypt, taking advantage of the new pan-Arab Egyptian government of Gamal Abdel Nasser. The warming relationship between the US and Egypt caused a very insecure Israel to feel threatened. Nassar also had plans to nationalize the Suez Canal, which had been controlled by the British for decades. Egypt had been known to blockade Israeli shipping through the canal and Israel feared Nassar would make a blockade permanent. After US President Eisenhower began encouraging the British to leave the Suez Canal Zone, Israel started looking for a way to make the British stay, and a way to remain best buddies with America. And what better way to treat your best friend than to stab them in the back and tell them one of your other friends did it?
David Ben Gurion, Israel's founding prime minister, thought that Egyptian terrorist attacks against Americans would be a perfect way to cool the growing US/Egypt relationship. Since there were no Egyptians planning attacks against Americans, Ben Gurion's protégés did the next best thing: they recruited Israeli agents to pretend to be Egyptian terrorists. The top-secret Israeli terrorist cell, Unit 131, had existed since 1948. In 1950, Israel's Directorate of Military Intelligence Aman was created and Israel sent an undercover agent, Colonel Avraham Dar (alias: John Darling, British citizen of the island of Gibraltar), to recruit more members to Unit 131. He also trained them in how to build bombs and terrify Americans and British civilians working and living in Egypt. Before the terrorist cell was activated, another Israeli agent named Avraham (Avraham Seidenberg) was sent to take control from Avraham Dar. Seidenberg first went to Germany to establish an alias: he assumed the identy of Paul Frank, a former SS officer, complete with underground Nazi connections. By 1954, his new identity was in place and he went to Egypt to take command of Unit 131. Everything was going well for the Israeli terrorists it seemed. But, there was one thing the members of Unit 131 didn't know: their terrorist sleeper cell had itself been infiltrated by the Egyptian intelligence service. The new Unit 131 leader, Seidenberg, had betrayed them to the Egyptians.
So, when Unit 131 member Philip Nathanson made his way to bomb the British-owned Rio theatre in Alexandria, not only was he being followed, the Egyptian intelligence service had a fire engine waiting to put out the flames. As Nathanson stood in the ticket line, his bad luck turned worse when one of the bombs in his pocket ignited and then exploded. Nathanson was burned but not killed. As nearby pedestrians shouted warnings and wondered if he was a suicide bomber, Egyptian policemen stepped in, calmed the crowd, and identified Nathanson as one of the terrorists who had been blowing up American and British buildings. Nathanson was interrogated by Egypt's military intelligence and confessed the whole plot, which led to more arrests. When the Israeli spies were given a public trial, all the details of their terrorist training in Israel came to light.
Former Israeli Prime Minister Ben Gurion and Israel's Aman chief, Binyamin Gibli, tried to frame their own Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon. They even offered forged documents as proof. The frame-up worked for a while, so much so that the entire incident is still popularly known as the Lavon Affair. Lavon resigned and Ben Gurion came out of political retirement to replace him as Israel's Defense Minister. However, the truth did finally emerge. In 1960, a review of the inquiry discovered the fake documents, as well as perjury by Seidenberg. A committee of seven Cabinet members cleared Lavon. Although Ben Gurion never admitted fault, he did resign his post as Defense Minister."
I get the impression that no matter what information is provided you will not be moved. A great conspiracy is not easily exposed, initially . The conspirators would necessarily have control of the narrative. Let me ask you, was Pearl Harbor a sneak attack? Are you suggesting that conspiracies don’t exist? Or you just don’t see it with this?
I think the USS Liberty (spy ship) was attacked because it was a loose string that could have tipped off Syria (via Soviet Union tapping that ships communications) that Isreal was going after the Golan Heights in '67, 6-day War.
Most certainly it was a spy ship. But the testimonies of those on board the ship paint an entirely different picture of the events that day. Additionally, the Johnson administration was very friendly with the state of Israel, completely reversing the Kennedy administration policies. So it’s doubtful the US would have intentionally put them at harm. That said, who the f*ck knows when it comes to the global political elites.
Hey Billy, I think the calculus for Israel is that they could not ‘control’ whether transmissions from that US ship would not ‘give advance notice’ to Syria that Israel was going to take Golan Heights in north, or notice to Egypt that the south border would have less defense while Golan operations were in progress. I’d further argue that Israel had pre-plans to take Golan Heights and the ‘67 war was the opening to do that, as occupying this land lessened future existential threat to Israel. And that ‘gain’ of Golan in the long term was worth much more than lives of US sailors and marines aboard that vessel. That’s my realpolitik take.
I've been pretty disgusted watching some of the videos of women being abducted. I saw one video of a woman bleeding all over and shoved into the back of a Jeep.
Oh you've spent a lot of time there and in Gaza? Do fill us in. Gaza is a wonderful place full of progressive thinkers who love mankind and just want to live and let live? Islam is the religion of peace?
Zionism is an evil racist and genocidal ideology. Do what you want with YOUR money, I gave it to you because I THOUGHT, wrongly, that you were a pro-freedom voice. Live and learn.
These former IDF are probably members of the "Friends of the IDF". They are questioning the narrative:
https://www.sott.net/article/484970-Israel-in-state-of-war-with-Hamas-after-Palestinian-militants-launch-unprecedented-incursion-into-Israel-UPDATES#comment475653 False flag!!! I’ll spare you the videos, but my morning started with my father sending me videos of IDF soldiers slaughtered in their barracks still in just their underwear, to which both of us as former service people ourselves immediately agreed that it’s im-fucking-possible! I did a service with IDF and have been to most bases in the south, and the ones close to the borders are always on highest level security alert: armed guards on towers 24/7 and all personnel are required to carry their personal weapons at all times… including sleeping with it literally under your mattress exactly for such situations! So how the hell could a group of Palestinians break into a base and make it all the way to the barracks unnoticed and unheard? I saw the media trying to sell a story that Iranians provided some equipment that jammed the electronically monitored fence, but any disturbance immediately notifies command and control center in Israel’s equivalent of the pentagon and someone would be immediately in touch with the bases’ commanders especially in the middle of the night. But even if that story is true, where were the night guards not to see the combatants approaching and alert everyone? With bases neutralized, there were no one to come to help the civilians in the area… how convenient.
https://twitter.com/Dr_logicaI/status/1710794054953553927 ex-IDF soldier explains that the events that took place today are impossible. She was a border observer with the highest tech available. "If a bird came close we knew" "Even even a cockroach came to our fenced border we knew" "How did 400 hamas pass through today"?
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update I served in the IDF 25 years ago, in the intelligence forces. There’s no way Israel did not know of what’s coming. A cat moving alongside the fence is triggering all forces. So this?? What happened to the “strongest army in the world”? How come border crossings were wide open?? Something is VERY WRONG HERE, something is very strange, this chain of events is very unusual and not typical for the Israeli defense system.
It occurs to me that the perfect time for China to repatriate Taiwan by force would be when the Israeli conflict escalates to the point where the US is involved in some kind of operation against Iran and Syria. Anyhoo, I'm not sure the way to change hearts and minds is by leveling entire cities and killing many hundreds, if not thousands of innocent civilians, but what do I know?
Perhaps, but if this were back in Biblical (OT) times, they would leave them “neither root nor branch” - the reason being that people this hard bitten with their destruction theology cannot be reasoned with, but infect their offspring with the lies they themselves believe.
As my mom always said, "an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind." Whenever we start saying things like 'those kind of people' can't be reasoned with then what is left? Genocide?
Right, so what is the answer? I'm serious. What is being suggested is basically genocide. Has such a response ever succeeded long term or does it just breed more extremism? I in no way condone what Hamas did, no reasonable person could. It is utterly reprehensible, loathsome and evil. Yet Palestinians in general have legitimate grievances against Israel, and Israel's hands are by no means clean. There are no angels here, what good does it do to point fingers and try to weigh out where the greater evil lies? What good does inciting more evil do? What is happening in Israel is horrific and Hamas is only one part of the horror.
Have Israelis engaged in the kind of savagery being reported here? I’ve seen no reports of that prior to this attack. Cessation of hostilities would be great, but what will *you* do when confronted with someone whose frequently stated world view says you don’t deserve to exist and repeatedly attempts to kill you. Do you attempt to continue to reason with them as they point a gun at your head? At some point, it comes down to you or them. Will the world be a better place without you, while they survive?
The only point I tried to make was that God had told ancient Israel to do just that with one enemy, to “ leave them neither root or branch.” That said, has God spoken that to anyone lately? Not that I’m aware. But He does allow for a death penalty for murderers.
"what will *you* do when confronted with someone whose frequently stated world view says you don’t deserve to exist and repeatedly attempts to kill you"
But that's not what we're talking about is it? When Israel carpet bombs Gaza, killing many civilians, the Israelis do not collectively have a gun to their head. Would it be good to defeat Hamas? Of course. Is it good to do it while intentionally killing many, many civilians, including many defenseless women and children. No, it isn't. It's what used to be considered a war crime. Even with the absolutely horrific events that occurred in Israel this past weekend there have been far, far more Palestinians killed than Israelis over the past decades, that's just a fact. When Israel is done doing whatever it is they do that will remain the case. Hamas killing civilians in no way justifies Israel doing the same. Killing innocent people is never and can never be justified.
Ugh, another journalist rooting for more reactionary bloodshed in a far away country. How do you know all those videos on social media are even real? Did we learn nothing from 9/11? Unsubscribe, STOP THE WARMONGERING
Very astute assesment Jordan. It will be a very tricky and deadly response to this murderous shortsighted invasion, but Iran clearly well behind the scheming financing and launching of this insanity, needs to get a strong response as well, a reminder to those extremist nuts, who they are messing with !!!
It seems as though the IDF is well underway with implementing your suggestions. They aren't sitting back and awaiting the world's permission to defend themselves.
Get the women and children out, then level Gaza to the ground.
Whoa, that is quite the authoritarian, apartheid piece you wrote there. I guess if Netanyahu and his bully boys say it, it must be true. I'm glad others with more information than I have are challenging your position.
After Netanyahu sold them into a medical experiment I was shocked he got re-elected. I know Bennett was no better but sheesh people. I agree with the late Dr Zelenko that Netanyahu is a "Mengele".
Other than the comic book, decontextualized and a-historical nature of your reactionary comment could you at least explain who is in your category of, "The good news for the civilized world..."- this "civilized world you are referencing?
Shall we start listing off the various and unremitting acts of barbarism your "civilized world" has committed over the past 200 plus years?
You sound like you are channeling Donald Rumsfeld here Jordan.
The playbook for all this barbaric action by the Islamic terrorists is the Koran and the bile preached by the Inmans in the Mosques. These sources of terror should be closed down and the perpetrators charged by the authorities for inciting terror.
Yes. As I said above, Islam will only change when the needed Reformation comes from within. That being the case, the civilized world has got to demand it. No truck nor trade with any nation preaching or supporting jihad.
We can only hope that those like Hassan Farhan al-Maliki will get power some day. He was kicked off Saudi TV for pointing out how their sect contradicts the Koran which they are supposed to accept as the word of god and infallible. He also goes on to show that 90% of the "sayings of the prophet" are bogus (both Sunni & Shia). Interesting fellow and I hope they don't kill him as he brings an interesting perspective to the discussion.
He asks very simple but important questions like "Why should Muslims try to convert others when they can't even agree among themselves what Islam is?". I would extrapolate that to other religions like Christianity as well.
When I listened to some of his interviews I kept thinking "Can we put you in charge for a while because you seem very sane and level headed and the rest of these people kind of worry me" LOL.
Gaza is nothing but a political pawn. The Saudis are making peace with Israel. Hamas et al. could not let that happen. Who will fund them if there is peace? That's the real reason for the attack. Gaza is fodder for the evil organizations in the Middle East. Peace can never come to the region unless all the countries involved get on the same page. That is not going to happen. Israel may use Gaze as an ass-wipe but peace will not prevail. The root problem still exists.
"Those cheering on either side in this war are missing the point.
The barbarity inflicted upon the innocent is abhorrent. The truth behind the sabbath attack in the Gaza environs has yet to emerge.
The events are not the end but the beginning, however decisive the Israeli response.
There are many threads to our agenda-driven world. And a media which ticks only the boxes of selected issues, will never tell you the news, let alone those first three letters.
Journalist and podcaster Efrat Fenigson, who did her military service in Israeli intelligence, said on the evening of the attacks: “There is no way, in my view, that Israeli intelligence did not know of what was coming... Something is very wrong; something is strange. This chain of events is very unusual.”
She is not the only person with military service to come forward and say that to approach the border without detection was near impossible.
Most of the Israeli Defence Force who patrol the “Gaza envelope” had been moved to the West Bank. The high-tech sensors near the fences that separate the Palestinian territory failed to work. The bunkers that watch from afar saw nothing. Israeli media failed to report events in real time, leaving people dependent on word-of-mouth. And the famous Iron Dome was overwhelmed.
Residents of Lahaina on Maui, Hawaii, would recognise the systematic failure. So would those 22 years ago in New York. Unwelcome déjà vu.
Hamas were able to simply drive, boat and paraglide into Israel without any intervention, and start shooting on the streets of Israeli towns before anyone knew they had arrived. Israel’s army found itself fighting in at least 22 locations. Hundreds were killed; dozens of civilians and some soldiers were taken hostage.
By evening, few of the legacy media in Israel and abroad asked how such an attack, planned over months if not years, had bypassed the formidable Shin Bet and Mossad without their picking up a hint... despite the approach of the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur war (Oct 6, 1973).
Asking such a question is taking the side of Hamas, apparently."
Rather than writing a conclusory piece advocating expansion of the retaliaton, I was hoping your approach would first include peeling back the onion of geopolitics plus some analysis of how this extremely highly guarded border could have been breached in the first place against one of the most well armored and equipped militaries bar none. Before cheerleading for escalation and revenge in any conflict, some rational analysis and investigation is needed.
Former IDF are questioning the narrative:
https://www.sott.net/article/484970-Israel-in-state-of-war-with-Hamas-after-Palestinian-militants-launch-unprecedented-incursion-into-Israel-UPDATES#comment475653 False flag!!! I’ll spare you the videos, but my morning started with my father sending me videos of IDF soldiers slaughtered in their barracks still in just their underwear, to which both of us as former service people ourselves immediately agreed that it’s im-fucking-possible! I did a service with IDF and have been to most bases in the south, and the ones close to the borders are always on highest level security alert: armed guards on towers 24/7 and all personnel are required to carry their personal weapons at all times… including sleeping with it literally under your mattress exactly for such situations! So how the hell could a group of Palestinians break into a base and make it all the way to the barracks unnoticed and unheard? I saw the media trying to sell a story that Iranians provided some equipment that jammed the electronically monitored fence, but any disturbance immediately notifies command and control center in Israel’s equivalent of the pentagon and someone would be immediately in touch with the bases’ commanders especially in the middle of the night. But even if that story is true, where were the night guards not to see the combatants approaching and alert everyone? With bases neutralized, there were no one to come to help the civilians in the area… how convenient.
https://twitter.com/Dr_logicaI/status/1710794054953553927 ex-IDF soldier explains that the events that took place today are impossible. She was a border observer with the highest tech available. "If a bird came close we knew" "Even even a cockroach came to our fenced border we knew" "How did 400 hamas pass through today"?
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update I served in the IDF 25 years ago, in the intelligence forces. There’s no way Israel did not know of what’s coming. A cat moving alongside the fence is triggering all forces. So this?? What happened to the “strongest army in the world”? How come border crossings were wide open?? Something is VERY WRONG HERE, something is very strange, this chain of events is very unusual and not typical for the Israeli defense system.
I side with the IDF / Former IDF folks on this one. LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose). The Egyptian intel warned Israel that "something big is coming soon" and were met with indifference.
No mention in the Israeli or Western press about the gun control in Israel. Pity nobody could shoot back isn't it.
Moon of Alabama wrote this in April of this year:
"Netanyahu and his ultra-right coalition partners might be interested in launching a new war to divert from their attempts to change the secular state of Israel into a religious led one. Large color-revolution like protests have been held against that and Netanyahu's project of putting (secular) supreme court judgments under (religious led) parliament revision is currently on hold.
A 'nice little war' might be a welcome distraction and a way to silently revive the matter."
So Israel attacked itself? Did Hamas have anything to do with it???
And who do you think funds Hamas? And all of the proxy wars ?
Have you been under a rock ?
https://m.youtube.com/live/oze0NkeS1Bo?si=4fHow5Hi4d_EMfA3
You've never heard of a false flag attack? Really? You're just a babe in the woods? Here, let me help you:
42 Admitted False Flag Attacks
https://washingtonsblog.com/42-admitted-false-flag-attacks/
I've heard of it. However, it's an easy claim without proof. Any claim made without proof can be dismissed without proof.
So go hamas!!!
I don’t think you need to be a former IDF to realize that Israel just pulled a 9-11 on itself
Of course not, but citing former IDF is helpful for the gullible peeps who should hear from much more experienced people than your typical substack commenter.
I shared your stuff with the gullible peeps just an hour ago -
Nothings changed since 😂
9-11 once again ...
https://m.youtube.com/live/oze0NkeS1Bo?si=4fHow5Hi4d_EMfA3
As it's often said, what we learn from history is that we don't learn from history.
It appears that zionists aren't required to be rational, no peeling back the onion of geopolitics necessary. They have been advocating for the destruction of all middle eastern countries for decades and they will drag the US into it, you can bet on it. In there way of thinking, there is always someone out there to destroy them. This crap is getting so old. We've never had so many hated enemies in the middle east until we had such a great ally in Israel. The very same ally that produced one of the most damaging espionage cases against the US and was then given a hero's welcome when he was released from prison and returned to israel. When will people start to connect the dots on when the troubles began in that region of the world to the problems of today.
If anybody needs nuking it’s the s White House and all it’s NWO tentacles stemming from it
Really ? So usa did not fund Iran for decades
Did not eliminate Iraq to strengthen Iran
Did not just give 6 billion to Iran that is vowing to nuke America
Did not leave 80 billion worth of military hardware to Taliban
Did not create a war in Ukrain with unnecessary and endless military funding that is now used to fight Israel
If you are tunnel visioned then all that balderdash you just posted makes perfect sense
What's your point? America has been funding countries around the world for decades always with its own interests at heart. Fomenting wars since the Spanish war at the turn of century, which most historians believe was a false flag attack on the Maine. We have destabilized countries in South America, Latin America and the Middle East. We instigated the overthrow of Mosaddegh. This shit has been going on for a long time. There isn't an historian worth a shit that does not agree that the Roosevelt administration was not aware of what would happen at Pearl, but it is known as a "sneak attack". Israel is well represented in the US congress and biden's administration is like the knesset so are you saying the US is wanting Israel to do down in flames? I don't know what your point is.
Of course they do !!!
Israel is just another proxy to be used and eliminated like the rest of the countries .
You think USA gifting 6 billion to Iran two weeks ago was for humanitarian purposes?
Why do you think 80 billion was gifted to Taliban in the form of military equipment
Why the Ukrain “war”
All the equipment went to Iran straight from Ukrain and to Gaza
USA doesn’t support anyone’s interests including USA’s - the elites drive the global wars they don’t recognize borders or sovereignty of any nation
I agree with you to a point. All of these wars are designed to destroy the nation state in preparation for the one government one religion world. That any one country is calling the shots, I don’t believe. That there are many, as Don Corleoni would call Pezzonovante are pushing this. They have no allegiance to any country or any moral code. If that’s what you are saying, I agree.
So we agree ! That’s my only point that none of what we see or argue about is worth arguing about
As there’s only one thing that needs mentioning and addressing - global control and global depopulation , regardless of any nation state - we all will drown in this
https://drjacobnordangard.substack.com/p/declaration-of-a-planetary-emergency?r=276kf7&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
And this https://www.youtube.com/live/oze0NkeS1Bo?si=svVWYQNUASgwJ3um
Agree with you there, Dan.
Well said Dan.
Jordan, you sound a little like Nikki Haley today of Fox where she urged Bibi to ‘finish them’. Here is that blood thirsty POTUS candidate in her own words:
https://youtu.be/NLe4j9Koxjw?si=t1uBPPqYJ_LlSAvs
What I think would go a lot farther than any Israeli tanks, bullets or bomb drops— is for Israel to lift up the blankets over all their dead, and ‘show’ those photos to the world. Show that Hamas is a brutal terrorist organization, who murdered women, children and families in their homes, on streets, at a music festival. Show exactly those photos without flinching.
When I looked at the CNN online photo feed today, I noticed dead Gazan’s, dead babies, etc. But not one face of an Israeli dead shown.
Well CNN is the very model of fair and balanced reporting, so I guess that must be Israel's fault.
You’re missing the point. If the horrific still photos are not released by Israel, they cannot be shown by CNN or any other media outlets, and further sympathy for Israel cannot be generated. Maybe Hamas will cut off some hostage heads and post those videos and the point is mute.
Are you sure you know the full scope of Israeli propaganda? Why limit it to official press releases? That's not how this works.
All I've seen, in terms of gross carnage photos in the past three days, is Israeli dead and kidnapped. I don't know their sources. If you want to see some, just look. It's not hard to find.
Yeah, my point is that Israeli government could overtly release and show its victims to the World of Hamas brutality. Think of pics of the Holocaust. Those pics moved minds and hearts. Do the same here. Make the world see what Hamas has done without having to work for it.
Here comes the Shalom Slush Fund; it's already up to $8 billion+! Maybe another 50 years of conflict will settle things and benefit everyone. I wonder if the salafist Saudis were emboldened when the US Government blocked victims of 9/11 from suing them.
It’s obvious and blatant
https://m.youtube.com/live/oze0NkeS1Bo?si=4fHow5Hi4d_EMfA3
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Every single R governor, politician, consultant, media voice who said they wanted Trumpism but not Trump, that the election was legit, Biden won, that Trump is unpresidential, that MAGA is hurting the GOP, that J6 was an insurrection and those in jail belong there, every single #NeverTrumper who did their best to make sure he lost, who colluded to steal his election and wishes he'd go away, just begin to know and understand that they preferred and prefer the death and carnage in Israel, and Ukraine, the invasion across our open borders, the genital mutilations of children, the Marxist indoctrination, the deaths and injuries of those forced to take the jabs against their will to this nation being led by Donald J Trump.
It's been a zero-sum game proposition. We live with Biden's policies we knew he supported, any denials he made we knew were campaign lies. The "there was no evidence of..." excuses were just that, accepted by those blinded by Trump hate. Wishes that we could get through four years of Biden so a "better, more presidential" R candidate would appear in 2024 were and remain BS self-delusions or intentional preferences for the predictable and predicted results of Biden's policies. Because, Orange Man Bad.
Zero-sum choice. They made. And many continue to make. No such thing as taking the good without the bad. They choose the bad we live with, the horrifying scenes from Israel over living with Trump's mean Tweets. Elections have consequences. Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences. Every single NeverTrumper R chose these catastrophic consequences. The blood as much on their hands as Hamas and Iran's. Biden's done what we had enough information to know Biden would do. If a snake eats a mouse dropped into its terrarium you don't blame the snake for eating it. You blame the person who dropped it in there. Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran are the hired assassins. In addition to holding the assassins accountable, destroying their will to kill as you describe, we'd get smart if we looked more closely at who put out the contracts for hire.
And the invasion across our border of the military age unaccompanied men is a Trojan horse invasion of those who wish to unleash the same type of horror on our communities. As Kari Lake shared yesterday, refugees bring their families with them to a new land. Warriors going to war leave their families at home. The same NeverTrumpers, R's and D's are allowing the invasion. Bringing the hired assassins here, to the US, to a community near you. Dumping snakes ready to eat us all around us. It's intentional. Not an accident or mistaken bad policy. It's the plan. As Israel prepares to destroy the Hamas hired assassins we had better prepare to prevent the hired assassins brought into our land from harming us the same way. And we had better go after those who are hiring them to kill us, the D's and R's in leadership, media, industry, who stole the 2020 election from the American people because they didn't want Bad Orange Man messing up their plans for us.
Well said. I’m surprised NYC isn’t on a red or at least orange terror alert (remember those?) right now but they’re just blase at this point.
I don't think now is the time. These atrocities usually tie the into some symbolic date. 50th Anniversary Yom Kippur war. Benghazi on Sep 11 anniversary. You'll find connection to meaningful symbolic dates for many terrorist attacks.
Attack in US will be on a symbolic date. Or a date chosen for explicit purpose. And they're still building the size of their Trojan Horse army here.
What would a similar attack at vote centers on the morning of Election Day, 2024 do to the election? Postpone? Reduce turnout across the nation with voters too scared to go to polls? Have Biden stay in office with emergency power indefinitely, link to MAGA, ban opposition party like Zelensky did in Ukraine?
The army is here. Including many Hamas, Taliban, Hezbollah. Narco cartel gangs. Waiting to be activated. Brought into our borders by Obama, Biden, Clinton, Bush's. Ignored by McConnell, McCarthy, Cheney, Rove. Paid richer benefits by their budget agreement than US retirees and veterans. Ukraine's borders and graft more important than US's.
Those who reserve their anger for Trump and Patriots, give pass to Biden. Preferring the slaughter of Israeli children and grandmother's to the danger they say a Trump presidency poses. Knowing Biden's policies would lead to these results there. And coming soon here. "But at least it won't be the same existential threat to our nation and allies that Trump is!!" They say to themselves and us.
That was simply to help Bush get re-elected.
Powerful!! Truth! Well said!
Correct, Bush’s weakness invited 9/11…and same with Israel electing Netenyahu…right??
I don't believe the narrative they are putting forth. Sadly many people died and many are suffering. Israel has shown that it has no problem with false flag attacks from it's very foundation such as the King David hotel bombing and Deir Yassin massacre. You're going to tell me with the level of security of state of Israel that hamas would be successful pulling off a "sneak attack", come on. This is the same country that almost dragged the US into war in the middle east in the late sixties after they sunk the USS Liberty.
Former IDF are questioning the narrative:
https://www.sott.net/article/484970-Israel-in-state-of-war-with-Hamas-after-Palestinian-militants-launch-unprecedented-incursion-into-Israel-UPDATES#comment475653 False flag!!! I’ll spare you the videos, but my morning started with my father sending me videos of IDF soldiers slaughtered in their barracks still in just their underwear, to which both of us as former service people ourselves immediately agreed that it’s im-fucking-possible! I did a service with IDF and have been to most bases in the south, and the ones close to the borders are always on highest level security alert: armed guards on towers 24/7 and all personnel are required to carry their personal weapons at all times… including sleeping with it literally under your mattress exactly for such situations! So how the hell could a group of Palestinians break into a base and make it all the way to the barracks unnoticed and unheard? I saw the media trying to sell a story that Iranians provided some equipment that jammed the electronically monitored fence, but any disturbance immediately notifies command and control center in Israel’s equivalent of the pentagon and someone would be immediately in touch with the bases’ commanders especially in the middle of the night. But even if that story is true, where were the night guards not to see the combatants approaching and alert everyone? With bases neutralized, there were no one to come to help the civilians in the area… how convenient.
https://twitter.com/Dr_logicaI/status/1710794054953553927 ex-IDF soldier explains that the events that took place today are impossible. She was a border observer with the highest tech available. "If a bird came close we knew" "Even even a cockroach came to our fenced border we knew" "How did 400 hamas pass through today"?
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update I served in the IDF 25 years ago, in the intelligence forces. There’s no way Israel did not know of what’s coming. A cat moving alongside the fence is triggering all forces. So this?? What happened to the “strongest army in the world”? How come border crossings were wide open?? Something is VERY WRONG HERE, something is very strange, this chain of events is very unusual and not typical for the Israeli defense system.
I'm sorry for the pain you must feel. I don't believe either of our governments and military personnel and citizens are the pawns. It strains the credulity of patriotism anymore. I am not a zionist but I also do not have animus against Jews or Arabs. I do have a great animus for governments and media however. I don't believe we will ever know the real truth in this life.
Tell me why Hamas isn’t calling it a false flag.
Because the rank and file of Hamas (and the Palestinians in general, apparently) would necessarily be pleased with the strike on Israel, as it "appeared" to be very effective, per the oh, so trustworthy mainstream media [cough, cough]. But the Mossad-controlled Hamas strike ultimately is a means to an end for Israel. You know what a patsy is, right? Hamas was the patsy.
The USA's own FBI is notorious for infiltrating "terrorist" groups (even mere animal rights groups) in order to end up directing the group to their own ends, even if merely to egg some patsies on to violence so that the FBI can then look like heroes for thwarting the bomb or the kidnapping that the FBI themselves were instrumental in instigating. More fame and larger annual budget for the FBI, those dedicated heroes!
Consider that leaders of state are rarely concerned about collateral damage when implementing their plots. Recall that Hermann Göring stated:
"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
I love me a bit more plausibility in my conspiracy theories.
Like this kind of plausible?
"In July, 1954, an Israeli terrorist cell was activated inside Egypt. The ensuing attacks, cleverly designed to look like the work of Arabs, blasted and torched American and British targets. First, the Israeli terrorists firebombed the Alexandria Post Office. Then, they firebombed the US Information Agency libraries: one in Alexandria, and one in Cairo. Then, they firebombed a British-owned Metro-Goldwyn Mayer theatre, a railway terminal, the central post office, and a couple more theatres...
To smuggle their bombs inside the buildings, the terrorists used devices shaped like books, hiding them inside book covers. Once inside, bags filled with acid were placed on top of the nitroglycerin bombs. After several hours, the acid ate through the bags and ignited the nitroglycerin, causing explosions and blazing infernos.
In the early 1950s, the United States was making fast friends with Egypt, taking advantage of the new pan-Arab Egyptian government of Gamal Abdel Nasser. The warming relationship between the US and Egypt caused a very insecure Israel to feel threatened. Nassar also had plans to nationalize the Suez Canal, which had been controlled by the British for decades. Egypt had been known to blockade Israeli shipping through the canal and Israel feared Nassar would make a blockade permanent. After US President Eisenhower began encouraging the British to leave the Suez Canal Zone, Israel started looking for a way to make the British stay, and a way to remain best buddies with America. And what better way to treat your best friend than to stab them in the back and tell them one of your other friends did it?
David Ben Gurion, Israel's founding prime minister, thought that Egyptian terrorist attacks against Americans would be a perfect way to cool the growing US/Egypt relationship. Since there were no Egyptians planning attacks against Americans, Ben Gurion's protégés did the next best thing: they recruited Israeli agents to pretend to be Egyptian terrorists. The top-secret Israeli terrorist cell, Unit 131, had existed since 1948. In 1950, Israel's Directorate of Military Intelligence Aman was created and Israel sent an undercover agent, Colonel Avraham Dar (alias: John Darling, British citizen of the island of Gibraltar), to recruit more members to Unit 131. He also trained them in how to build bombs and terrify Americans and British civilians working and living in Egypt. Before the terrorist cell was activated, another Israeli agent named Avraham (Avraham Seidenberg) was sent to take control from Avraham Dar. Seidenberg first went to Germany to establish an alias: he assumed the identy of Paul Frank, a former SS officer, complete with underground Nazi connections. By 1954, his new identity was in place and he went to Egypt to take command of Unit 131. Everything was going well for the Israeli terrorists it seemed. But, there was one thing the members of Unit 131 didn't know: their terrorist sleeper cell had itself been infiltrated by the Egyptian intelligence service. The new Unit 131 leader, Seidenberg, had betrayed them to the Egyptians.
So, when Unit 131 member Philip Nathanson made his way to bomb the British-owned Rio theatre in Alexandria, not only was he being followed, the Egyptian intelligence service had a fire engine waiting to put out the flames. As Nathanson stood in the ticket line, his bad luck turned worse when one of the bombs in his pocket ignited and then exploded. Nathanson was burned but not killed. As nearby pedestrians shouted warnings and wondered if he was a suicide bomber, Egyptian policemen stepped in, calmed the crowd, and identified Nathanson as one of the terrorists who had been blowing up American and British buildings. Nathanson was interrogated by Egypt's military intelligence and confessed the whole plot, which led to more arrests. When the Israeli spies were given a public trial, all the details of their terrorist training in Israel came to light.
Former Israeli Prime Minister Ben Gurion and Israel's Aman chief, Binyamin Gibli, tried to frame their own Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon. They even offered forged documents as proof. The frame-up worked for a while, so much so that the entire incident is still popularly known as the Lavon Affair. Lavon resigned and Ben Gurion came out of political retirement to replace him as Israel's Defense Minister. However, the truth did finally emerge. In 1960, a review of the inquiry discovered the fake documents, as well as perjury by Seidenberg. A committee of seven Cabinet members cleared Lavon. Although Ben Gurion never admitted fault, he did resign his post as Defense Minister."
I get the impression that no matter what information is provided you will not be moved. A great conspiracy is not easily exposed, initially . The conspirators would necessarily have control of the narrative. Let me ask you, was Pearl Harbor a sneak attack? Are you suggesting that conspiracies don’t exist? Or you just don’t see it with this?
Of course they exist. Every war starts with a conspiracy of some sort. Sometimes a lot of conspiracies.
Hamas is quite sincere, of course. They're being used.
I think the USS Liberty (spy ship) was attacked because it was a loose string that could have tipped off Syria (via Soviet Union tapping that ships communications) that Isreal was going after the Golan Heights in '67, 6-day War.
Most certainly it was a spy ship. But the testimonies of those on board the ship paint an entirely different picture of the events that day. Additionally, the Johnson administration was very friendly with the state of Israel, completely reversing the Kennedy administration policies. So it’s doubtful the US would have intentionally put them at harm. That said, who the f*ck knows when it comes to the global political elites.
Hey Billy, I think the calculus for Israel is that they could not ‘control’ whether transmissions from that US ship would not ‘give advance notice’ to Syria that Israel was going to take Golan Heights in north, or notice to Egypt that the south border would have less defense while Golan operations were in progress. I’d further argue that Israel had pre-plans to take Golan Heights and the ‘67 war was the opening to do that, as occupying this land lessened future existential threat to Israel. And that ‘gain’ of Golan in the long term was worth much more than lives of US sailors and marines aboard that vessel. That’s my realpolitik take.
Billy, you may be on to something. Good point.
I've been pretty disgusted watching some of the videos of women being abducted. I saw one video of a woman bleeding all over and shoved into the back of a Jeep.
I hope Israel swiftly kicks their asses.
Saw same vid, blue or black jeep.
That's not bleeding, women are taught to shit their pants to mitigate the rape they endure.
I saw one where her hands and arms were bloody. I'm not just talking about her pants.
Some news articles are claiming women were raped next to their dead friends. It's pretty awful.
Steve just shit his pants with his response.
Thomas labelle you're showing your ignorance of life in Israel.
Oh you've spent a lot of time there and in Gaza? Do fill us in. Gaza is a wonderful place full of progressive thinkers who love mankind and just want to live and let live? Islam is the religion of peace?
Why isn’t Israel showing still photos of all their innocent dead? Only seeing still photos of bodies w/ blankets over them.
Sorry I paid you for this now. I had no idea you were a Zionist. Oh well, I just won't renew when the time comes.
Going to use your subscription money to make a donation to Friends Of The IDF. Thanks!
Thank you Laurence! https://x.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1711480863093882995?s=20
Zionism is an evil racist and genocidal ideology. Do what you want with YOUR money, I gave it to you because I THOUGHT, wrongly, that you were a pro-freedom voice. Live and learn.
These former IDF are probably members of the "Friends of the IDF". They are questioning the narrative:
https://www.sott.net/article/484970-Israel-in-state-of-war-with-Hamas-after-Palestinian-militants-launch-unprecedented-incursion-into-Israel-UPDATES#comment475653 False flag!!! I’ll spare you the videos, but my morning started with my father sending me videos of IDF soldiers slaughtered in their barracks still in just their underwear, to which both of us as former service people ourselves immediately agreed that it’s im-fucking-possible! I did a service with IDF and have been to most bases in the south, and the ones close to the borders are always on highest level security alert: armed guards on towers 24/7 and all personnel are required to carry their personal weapons at all times… including sleeping with it literally under your mattress exactly for such situations! So how the hell could a group of Palestinians break into a base and make it all the way to the barracks unnoticed and unheard? I saw the media trying to sell a story that Iranians provided some equipment that jammed the electronically monitored fence, but any disturbance immediately notifies command and control center in Israel’s equivalent of the pentagon and someone would be immediately in touch with the bases’ commanders especially in the middle of the night. But even if that story is true, where were the night guards not to see the combatants approaching and alert everyone? With bases neutralized, there were no one to come to help the civilians in the area… how convenient.
https://twitter.com/Dr_logicaI/status/1710794054953553927 ex-IDF soldier explains that the events that took place today are impossible. She was a border observer with the highest tech available. "If a bird came close we knew" "Even even a cockroach came to our fenced border we knew" "How did 400 hamas pass through today"?
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update I served in the IDF 25 years ago, in the intelligence forces. There’s no way Israel did not know of what’s coming. A cat moving alongside the fence is triggering all forces. So this?? What happened to the “strongest army in the world”? How come border crossings were wide open?? Something is VERY WRONG HERE, something is very strange, this chain of events is very unusual and not typical for the Israeli defense system.
It occurs to me that the perfect time for China to repatriate Taiwan by force would be when the Israeli conflict escalates to the point where the US is involved in some kind of operation against Iran and Syria. Anyhoo, I'm not sure the way to change hearts and minds is by leveling entire cities and killing many hundreds, if not thousands of innocent civilians, but what do I know?
The USA can't do 2 fronts so if they go after Iran then Taiwan would be a logical target for an opportunistic China.
Perhaps, but if this were back in Biblical (OT) times, they would leave them “neither root nor branch” - the reason being that people this hard bitten with their destruction theology cannot be reasoned with, but infect their offspring with the lies they themselves believe.
As my mom always said, "an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind." Whenever we start saying things like 'those kind of people' can't be reasoned with then what is left? Genocide?
Naive thinking Islam thinks like everyone you know
Right, so what is the answer? I'm serious. What is being suggested is basically genocide. Has such a response ever succeeded long term or does it just breed more extremism? I in no way condone what Hamas did, no reasonable person could. It is utterly reprehensible, loathsome and evil. Yet Palestinians in general have legitimate grievances against Israel, and Israel's hands are by no means clean. There are no angels here, what good does it do to point fingers and try to weigh out where the greater evil lies? What good does inciting more evil do? What is happening in Israel is horrific and Hamas is only one part of the horror.
Not everything can be controlled by man
Have Israelis engaged in the kind of savagery being reported here? I’ve seen no reports of that prior to this attack. Cessation of hostilities would be great, but what will *you* do when confronted with someone whose frequently stated world view says you don’t deserve to exist and repeatedly attempts to kill you. Do you attempt to continue to reason with them as they point a gun at your head? At some point, it comes down to you or them. Will the world be a better place without you, while they survive?
The only point I tried to make was that God had told ancient Israel to do just that with one enemy, to “ leave them neither root or branch.” That said, has God spoken that to anyone lately? Not that I’m aware. But He does allow for a death penalty for murderers.
"what will *you* do when confronted with someone whose frequently stated world view says you don’t deserve to exist and repeatedly attempts to kill you"
But that's not what we're talking about is it? When Israel carpet bombs Gaza, killing many civilians, the Israelis do not collectively have a gun to their head. Would it be good to defeat Hamas? Of course. Is it good to do it while intentionally killing many, many civilians, including many defenseless women and children. No, it isn't. It's what used to be considered a war crime. Even with the absolutely horrific events that occurred in Israel this past weekend there have been far, far more Palestinians killed than Israelis over the past decades, that's just a fact. When Israel is done doing whatever it is they do that will remain the case. Hamas killing civilians in no way justifies Israel doing the same. Killing innocent people is never and can never be justified.
Emboldened by six billion dollars from Joe Biden
Um, it’s still in the bank and so now Iran will never get it. Duuuuuuh.
Ugh, another journalist rooting for more reactionary bloodshed in a far away country. How do you know all those videos on social media are even real? Did we learn nothing from 9/11? Unsubscribe, STOP THE WARMONGERING
Very astute assesment Jordan. It will be a very tricky and deadly response to this murderous shortsighted invasion, but Iran clearly well behind the scheming financing and launching of this insanity, needs to get a strong response as well, a reminder to those extremist nuts, who they are messing with !!!
Amen.
It seems as though the IDF is well underway with implementing your suggestions. They aren't sitting back and awaiting the world's permission to defend themselves.
Get the women and children out, then level Gaza to the ground.
Whoa, that is quite the authoritarian, apartheid piece you wrote there. I guess if Netanyahu and his bully boys say it, it must be true. I'm glad others with more information than I have are challenging your position.
After Netanyahu sold them into a medical experiment I was shocked he got re-elected. I know Bennett was no better but sheesh people. I agree with the late Dr Zelenko that Netanyahu is a "Mengele".
Who counts the votes?
Other than the comic book, decontextualized and a-historical nature of your reactionary comment could you at least explain who is in your category of, "The good news for the civilized world..."- this "civilized world you are referencing?
Shall we start listing off the various and unremitting acts of barbarism your "civilized world" has committed over the past 200 plus years?
You sound like you are channeling Donald Rumsfeld here Jordan.
The playbook for all this barbaric action by the Islamic terrorists is the Koran and the bile preached by the Inmans in the Mosques. These sources of terror should be closed down and the perpetrators charged by the authorities for inciting terror.
Yes. As I said above, Islam will only change when the needed Reformation comes from within. That being the case, the civilized world has got to demand it. No truck nor trade with any nation preaching or supporting jihad.
We can only hope that those like Hassan Farhan al-Maliki will get power some day. He was kicked off Saudi TV for pointing out how their sect contradicts the Koran which they are supposed to accept as the word of god and infallible. He also goes on to show that 90% of the "sayings of the prophet" are bogus (both Sunni & Shia). Interesting fellow and I hope they don't kill him as he brings an interesting perspective to the discussion.
He asks very simple but important questions like "Why should Muslims try to convert others when they can't even agree among themselves what Islam is?". I would extrapolate that to other religions like Christianity as well.
When I listened to some of his interviews I kept thinking "Can we put you in charge for a while because you seem very sane and level headed and the rest of these people kind of worry me" LOL.
Gaza is nothing but a political pawn. The Saudis are making peace with Israel. Hamas et al. could not let that happen. Who will fund them if there is peace? That's the real reason for the attack. Gaza is fodder for the evil organizations in the Middle East. Peace can never come to the region unless all the countries involved get on the same page. That is not going to happen. Israel may use Gaze as an ass-wipe but peace will not prevail. The root problem still exists.
Moneycircus' substack is quite interesting:
"Those cheering on either side in this war are missing the point.
The barbarity inflicted upon the innocent is abhorrent. The truth behind the sabbath attack in the Gaza environs has yet to emerge.
The events are not the end but the beginning, however decisive the Israeli response.
There are many threads to our agenda-driven world. And a media which ticks only the boxes of selected issues, will never tell you the news, let alone those first three letters.
Journalist and podcaster Efrat Fenigson, who did her military service in Israeli intelligence, said on the evening of the attacks: “There is no way, in my view, that Israeli intelligence did not know of what was coming... Something is very wrong; something is strange. This chain of events is very unusual.”
She is not the only person with military service to come forward and say that to approach the border without detection was near impossible.
Most of the Israeli Defence Force who patrol the “Gaza envelope” had been moved to the West Bank. The high-tech sensors near the fences that separate the Palestinian territory failed to work. The bunkers that watch from afar saw nothing. Israeli media failed to report events in real time, leaving people dependent on word-of-mouth. And the famous Iron Dome was overwhelmed.
Residents of Lahaina on Maui, Hawaii, would recognise the systematic failure. So would those 22 years ago in New York. Unwelcome déjà vu.
Hamas were able to simply drive, boat and paraglide into Israel without any intervention, and start shooting on the streets of Israeli towns before anyone knew they had arrived. Israel’s army found itself fighting in at least 22 locations. Hundreds were killed; dozens of civilians and some soldiers were taken hostage.
By evening, few of the legacy media in Israel and abroad asked how such an attack, planned over months if not years, had bypassed the formidable Shin Bet and Mossad without their picking up a hint... despite the approach of the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur war (Oct 6, 1973).
Asking such a question is taking the side of Hamas, apparently."
https://moneycircus.substack.com/p/crisis-update-israel-gaza-clash-is
I wonder if the Israelis will strike the enemy as hard as they struck the USS Liberty in June of 1967?
That’s an unserious comment, Richard
A little too much truth about the true nature of Israel for you to contemplate?