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CATHERINE's avatar

The time is long overdue to put the "Ruling Class" back in the dirt, from whence it came, and to where it rightly belongs.

We the People are a Democratic Republic.

Our Sacred Laws are the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Golden Rule.

They come to us and turn our lives upside down.

We should do the same to Them. And doubly so.

They have nothing.

We have created everything. By our labor.

The "Rulers" are parasites.

Noxious parasites.

They are energy vampires.

For Them, too much is never enough.

They must be stopped.

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Subversive Patriot's avatar

The US is a Constitutional Republic, Dolores.

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CATHERINE's avatar

True.

It was late.

I was past bedtime.

Constitutional

Republic.

I said so in the fine print. ;)

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CATHERINE's avatar

I do. :)

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TIOK's avatar

Correction: the United States WAS a Constitutional Republic. That basic truth has been undermined and eroded.

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CATHERINE's avatar

I agree.

Undermined and eroded.

For a very long time.

However, the paperwork still exists.

The knowledge still exists.

It is a choice that people make, one individual at a time.

People have been conned and pressured into doing things that do not benefit them.

Why continue to follow or cooperate with a system that is designed to destroy you?

It cannot exist without the will of people who are too scared, or stupid, to refuse to dig their own graves.

Just say, NO!

Do not consent to be a victim.

Do not consent to be a slave.

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Agree but I fear that the knowledge is fading. At least 2 generations of school kids in the US have never seen the text of the constitution. It was removed from textbooks more than 30 years ago. Instead they are told "what it means" and as one might guess the "interpretation" is reflects a political view rather than an accurate reading of the words. The institutionalized ignorance is a powerful thing and IMO a key reason why so many people seem to accept that which is clearly absurd. They've been trained not to think about it except in an approved way. This is more than your average con, it is the ultimate long game.

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CATHERINE's avatar

You are aware of the problem.

You even have names for it:

The Great Reset,

The Fake Plague,

Digital Dollar,

Climate Hoax.

Bank collapse.

Any number of manufactured crises, designed to make you feel ashamed for working your way out of the dirt and creating a good life for yourself.

When that is all gone, then you will have nothing.

Because you allowed some bullies in fancy clothes, clothes that working people created.

To bully, bamboozle and blackmail you into giving up your power, power that is enshrined in the Constitution.

They are few.

Maybe 100K WEF-ist/Fascist/Communist types, globally.

We the People.

8 BILLION.

You seem to be waiting for some messiah to rescue you.

The Messiah is you.

Say NO! to tyranny.

They can't do anything to anyone.

All They can do is make stupid rules.

They can't make anyone comply.

With ANY of Their edicts, plots, and schemes.

People can either follow orders, and dig their own graves,

Or, We can take back our God given power to self determination, and

Freedom, and remove all these anti freedom, anti Democracy, evil and unevolved skin walkers from power.

They poisoned 7 BILLION PEOPLE with the COVID sludge.

A bug that was no more serious than a bad flu, easily thwarted with simple, cheap, vitamins and minerals and a clean diet.

Now do something about the Problem.

They are no more than schoolyard bullies, all grown up.

Addicted to power and the thrills They get from terrorizing others.

They love to inflict violence, confusion, fear and chaos, yet will run away when Their chosen victims turn on Them.

Do just that.

Don't ask/beg/bargain for your rights.

DEMAND YOUR RIGHTS.

It takes a stupid person to make a stupid rule,

And a fool to mind it.

Do not be a stupid.

Do not be a fool.

Do not consent to be a victim.

The stopping of the oppression begins and continues and perpetuates, one individual at a time.

ALL THE TIME.

Because, people who trade freedom for security, will achieve neither.

Stand on your feet, and live as a free person, or die on your knees,

a slave.

So, what do YOU want to do, with YOUR life?

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Mississippi Shepherd's avatar

Both our Liberty and our Rights come from God, not a corrupt government.

The man of lawlessness has been busy, but by no means does that mean we are to surrender our liberty or forfeit our rights.

There's definitely a reason they've decimated our military and broken our system of law enforcement.

As you said, there's not enough of them to reach their objective. To do so, they've got to turn us on each other.

They've miscalculated, thinking they've brainwashed enough of us into believing that culture dictates truth.

When this fracas comes to a head, it ain't gonna be pretty.

Fate favors the prepared. Always has, always will.

Make no mistake, the true Messiah is coming.

" They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

Revelation 17:14

Until then, I believe I'll stand on the side of true liberty and freedom.

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Dr. Colleen Huber's avatar

Well said. This is the only way out of the mess.

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CATHERINE's avatar

So.

To your way of thinking, either way, under a Constitutional Democracy, one side has the power to subjugate the other.

This is not accurate.

In a Constitutional Democracy, we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights.

All people are created equal.

Et cetera, et cetera.

That is the underpinning of everything.

Very simple.

If a law gets passed, by the actual majority, and that law is seen to be discriminatory against a minority, there is a means to petition redress.

Slavery, denial of voting rights due to race and gender and previous national origin, denial of health care due to gender and even race.

So many bad ideas.

Made into bad laws.

Denied rights of the few by the votes of the many.

Clearly, the zealots were behaving un-Constitutionally.

Happens often, alas.

All overturned later, by people of a more evolved and aware sentiment.

There are a sizeable number of people who don't want other people to have their Rights.

People of the Majority, and people of the Minority.

Someone, somewhere, is plotting and scheming to put their foot on someone else's neck.

All the time.

Some people don't even want their own freedoms, and they will see to it that other people can't have theirs either.

They will not be content to live their own lives as robots (Czech word for slave), they must control and restrict other people's lives as they would restrict their own.

And allow others to do to them.

The Unelected Beaurocracy.

Always correct about everything, everywhere.

The Omnipotent Class.

Two bit public servants, with delusions of grandeur.

They are content to live in little boxes, physical, mental, ideological.

And that is OK.

That is their choice:

To have no choice.

If one day, they decide to step outside of that sad little box, I believe that they have that choice.

No one has any business interfering with that.

That is what the US Constitution is about.

Other countries have their own Constitution.

That reflects their image of how they want their government to serve them.

It all evolves.

Of for and by the People.

One individual at a time.

Choice. Freedom.

You don't want it for yourself.

That's OK.

I won't try to interfere with your individual self.

I expect the same courtesy in return.

It is the decent thing to do.

I expect a better life for myself.

I have seen the other way, and it is unacceptable.

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CATHERINE's avatar

Oh, one more thing.

What is your Preferred Form of Governance?

Please be specific.

:)

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I follow your thoughts through this, very much so. But much of what you suggest would be our Constitutional Republic if we hadn't let it become corrupted. And I believe we can very much return to this. It should truly be, in order of power:

We the People

County

State

Federal Govt.

We should return to the gold standard and use lawful money. We need to rid ourselves of all alphabet agencies. Bring back out manufacturing. No more big govt and no more large corporations.

I don't think we have to throw away the foundation just because a bunch of idiots took down the brick house and built circus on it. We can remove the circus and start fresh.

I have become an American State National, trying to put together our de jure govt.

TASA.americanstatenationals.org

It is maybe 95% on track, perhaps with a handful of modifications and additions, but this is what we need to be doing... And once completed, making sure we never get in this spot again.

But yes, common law, common words, common sense. And truly, this is by, for, of the people - there should not be many if any full-time govt employees. This should be rare we need to meet at the fed level, maybe monthly at the state, and twice a month at the county. We should be able to hold full-time jobs and help out with our own governance.

We've handed the control away, our duties and responsibilities to people who do not have our interests in mind. It is long overdue that we take our country back.

No divide and conquer BS - we need the 90%+ in the middle to stop arguing about Red v Blue, male v female, black v white, as nauseam. We need to get our $h!t together and recreate our land of the free and home of the brave.

-John on Maine

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JohnnyB's avatar

Proving you wrong, in this case, would be like trying to prove a negative. Let's simplify this equation. The fact that we have given corporations a sort of immunity would no longer be present.

So take glyphosate as an example, but can be applied to all of what you have listed and much of what you haven't. We know this chemical causes injury (and really serves no purpose than to enrich the fat cats at the corporation). In this case, the company gets dissolved immediately and all profiting lose all these profits, gains, and brought to common law courts to plead their case. Because we are talking a shift in our approach, in this case perhaps we go a little easier on them. But set the precedent that any corporation and the people in charge no longer have protections from personal liability. If their actions injury, maim, or kill others knowingly, they can be dragged to court in front of a jury of their peers, and face steep fines, prison time, and death.

There are rights we all have. And generally we are all free people so long as we don't harm others and their property.

And regarding technology. It is both a blessing and a curse. And almost without fail, this depends on the hands whatever technology is in as to whether it can be used for benefit or for evil purposes.

I do think we in America should continue to create technologies that both protect our borders as well as thrive as people. How much hidden technology has been "bought" by these corp oligarchies in collusion with our corporate govt and subdued...?

This is no small task to take back out inherent rights and our country from the hands of these vermin and set it on a positive path, but this certainly beats the alternative.

And what I meant by 90%+ is that if you were to take away all the boxes of division that our govt has pushed the general population to choose and jump into, we'd have well over 90%+ of our American population who would actually agree with almost everything we are saying here. They may not comprehend all of it, but they'd agree that America is on a bad trajectory. What they don't know is that if we the people were to set down our petty differences, we hold the power to replace this tyrannical corp govt crime syndicate, this defacto pretend system they have us believing is our actual government, with a de jure govt based on our foundational lawful documents and start anew.

And yes, we can shore up some of the principals in these documents, one such thing would be an ability to restart the system again from scratch like I'm suggesting here, either with a vote or every fifty or one hundred years. This way, We the People can more easily course correct. And also, I'd add in that all of our founding documents, including the articles of confederation, should be taught in schools and every year.

As should we the people have our local militia and have our (older) children all learn the skills necessary to protect our borders and our freedoms - in whatever way each town, district, county decides is important and necessary for them.

I do comprehend the concerns with tech, but I also see the amazing progress we could make as a country if we used these techs for our benefits rather than what we are doing today.

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All of this stuff is purposefully not taught in school, and even when it is touched upon, it is muffled and with a purpose to mislead.

And while I do agree with the concern of voting and saying the silent words out loud, the people voting would vote with self-interest, this is not quite how it is supposed to operate.

Rather, one goes from State National and takes on the duty as a State Citizen - citizen truly meaning servant of the people - the sole responsibility is to apply the common law as written in our founding documents, the framework already provided. And yes, this does oversimplify things a bit, but in many ways, it also makes it both easy and freeing.

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Meme's avatar

Who does the investigating when a person's rights are violated? What if the investigators turn out to be liars or corrupt? Who decides the punishment and carries out the discipline? Make stockades great again 😂

I'm interested in learning more...

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Peace Keeping Officers do. And if they are corrupt, they are held personally liable for such and justice is served to the extent of their crimes.

A common law court, a jury of their peers. And yes, if egregious enough, certainly stockades are a very necessary tool to show others what happens when the law is broken.

There will always be a criminal element in any system. I'd just like to see them taken out of our government, larger corps, alphabet agencies, etc.

But if we hold true to our values and morals and follow the foundational documents - there will be infinitely less to deal with. Crimes get punished in a fair and just way. People can't hide behind corporations where they can make 500 billion knowing that they will be fined 10 billion because that's how the game works. No, in this case "Bob" the CEO of Liarser Inc withheld data from the public. He was arrested, a trial of his peers found him to be guilty of maiming and killing countless civilians across the world, his assets as well as the company's have been confiscated and distributed to a fund to help pay for the lives effected, and Bob is guilty and his punishment is death by hanging in two weeks time in the town square at high noon.

FU very much Bob.

Once personal liability and accountability is back in the table, and people see a just and honest system back in place again, most will be civil and peaceful and not pull this kind of crap.

We have overcomplicated everything and we need to return to simple, common sense, common law... A constitutional republic.

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Meme's avatar

Yes, the results of the nanny state are very clear, I totally get it. But most Americans take the path of least resistance. Most people are addicted to television and do exactly as they are told. I haven't had a tv for decades. With all that spare time I learned to raise and slaughter chickens and sheep. I know how to sew, cook, make soap, garden, wire a house, do any and all home repairs, heal myself, etc. so I'm not personally worried no matter what happens.

But envious hungry people get desperate and violent. I'm pretty sure they don't want to be responsible for themselves. So what does this look like, a bloodbath until all of the idjits are culled? Then we can be civil?

And who is in charge of energy resources? Seems to me that's the lynchpin.

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CATHERINE's avatar

Constitutional Republics exist.

On paper.

However,

It takes people, one individual at a time, to make manifest the beliefs encoded in said documents.

And they must uphold these concepts, one day at a time.

ALL THE TIME.

Checks and balances must not be neglected.

For, like any fine piece of machinery, a Constitutional Republic requires constant maintainance.

Or it will turn to shit.

And need an overhaul.

And repairs.

The time for that is now.

For pert near all governments. Globally.

IMHO.

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James Blacic's avatar

The implement to stop it is right there in the Constitution and it always has been. It's called The "Militia of the Several States" = the fourth branch of gov't, the enforcement branch.

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Joe Van Steenbergen's avatar

Yup, no argument. Question is: How?

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Jon's avatar

Great speech. Who is actually going to take the risk and action of stopping them though? I have yet to see this counter movement. Substacks and comments are clearly not enough. Psychopaths only understand Force

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CATHERINE's avatar

It takes a stupid person to make a stupid rule,

And a fool to mind it.

Do not be a stupid.

Do not be a fool.

Do not consent to be a victim.

Just say, NO!

Do not comply.

One individual at a time.

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That’s a huge ruling class. You have to understand. These cunts have fabricated our entire history. Salem witch trials fake same with Lizzie Borden murders. Her father owned a bank. And is related to chase. All these crypto Jews own the banks they marry within families and they run everything. All of Hollywood related. Finance related. Judges governors. Related. They run everything. They all need to die but the web is expansive.

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Charles Laurence's avatar

This is fabulous..

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Good Citizen's avatar

It's a fait accompli, no matter what laws states pass to try to ban it, the crisis they engineer will get everyone begging for it, like the dummies begged for the vaccine "cure." FedNow will be the settlements system (blockchain without transparency). FedCoin will be the "currency" that is a weapon of mass enslavement. The plandmic octopus always had a CBDC as the last arm. That's why they trialed UBI "relief checks." The rest of the world already knows Bretton Woods is dead because global reserve currencies never last a century, but as usual Americans will be the last to figure it.

https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/p/dancing-with-the-cbdc-devil

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Subversive Patriot's avatar

Except blank check Joe's digital currency isn't using blockchain. Reading comprehension skills are important before you opine about what is or is not finished, spanky.

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Luc's avatar

Yes I know it's not using block chain and you think "Joe" can even fathom well then....

they are making it up as they go anyway

Yes, Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs) can be used with blockchain technology, but it is important to consider the type of blockchain being used and its performance, scalability and cross-chain interoperability requirements.

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Good Citizen's avatar

There's no way they use blockchain. International bankers will never offer transparency through an immutable ledger. And no blockchain could support speed and scalability needed for tens of millions of transactions a second. People aren't going to stand around waiting ten minutes for block confirmations on their Slurpee and Twinkie purchase. Plus they couldn't loot the people's worthless money with a ledger, which is all they know how to do. But every wallet will be programmed, and monitored 24-7 so the IRS will know every Slurpee you bought.

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Luc's avatar

So good citizen how long do they wait to charge their TESLA?? HMMM???

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Good Citizen's avatar

So we should all be idiots and get EVs so the corporate state that controls energy grids can control our movements? Teslas like vaccines and masks are an IQ test. It's a public display of low IQ.

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Luc's avatar

No my point was that those people that own TESLA's wait what at least an hour to drive their car. So if they are willing to wait for that what else are they willing to wait for?

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Marc's avatar

Part of the problem with CBDC and spreading the real message is some of the uninformed crap you hear from people trying to get the word out. I was listening to a reasonably well-known and well-informed truther in UK just the other day and she was ranting on about how all of our financial info would be on “the” (yes, there’s only one!) blockchain and digital ID would be stored and traded as NFT’s. No, and no! Why on earth would a central bank issued currency be implemented using a blockchain - the clue is in the name “central”. Not exactly the best use case for an inherently permissionless, immutable, decentralised, and poorly performing infrastructure. Doesn’t help with the credibility, does it?

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Luc's avatar

I've heard some scuttlebutt about the BANKS themselves not wanting CBDC cause umm...what are they needed for?? Not sure about that story.

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Marc's avatar

Why would they want it? If the central bank is issuing currency directly to Joe-public (which I’m not convinced it would be at first) then doesn’t it mean the end for commercial banks?

If the banks can’t create “money” then they’re screwed - they could be our best hope 😂😉

(The UK House of Lords actually described CBDC as a solution in search of a problem!)

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Good Citizen's avatar

They won't issue it directly to Joe Public. They'll issue it to bank connected Fed wallets. Banks will still be servicers and profiteers of peoples debt- Mortgages, autoloans, student loans. The central banks don't want to manage the debt slaves' debt. But there will only be a handful of banks by the end of the decade.

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Luc's avatar

Maybe your right but what if you don't have a bank account? No debt, no mortgage nothing, nada, zip, zilch?

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shibumi's avatar

How are they going to convince African Americans, who like to live outside of the system-- and mistrust the government- to go along with this? Seems like it would be racist to force them.

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Luc's avatar

Oh but if they offer them money to go ON IT.. like a stimulus well then!

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Meme's avatar

Electronic Reparations.

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Good Citizen's avatar

64% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck excluding those that aren't even counted in statistics anymore. When they finally destroy the dollar system that will be much higher. 90%? They will wipe out a lot of wealth, savings, retirement accounts, etc. You will own nothing and be happy. They want a planet of controllable debt slaves. No bank account, no debt profiter, no UBI, no eat.

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Not disagreeing with you. Here is a statement directly from SSA "The Direct Express® card is a prepaid debit card you can use to access your benefit payment, without a bank account. We electronically deposit your funds directly into a prepaid debit card account and the funds are available to you on your payment date. Direct Express® has no enrollment fee or minimum balance requirement to open or use the account."

So that is not only for SSA but SSI and SSDI so it DOES come directly from the government.

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Luc's avatar

Maybe that is something we can hope for!

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Luc's avatar

From the community bank perspective in the US

The Big Picture

While the United States contemplates its role in the development of a future electronic money and the global financial system, any CBDC rollout should preserve the critical role of community banks as economic engines of the U.S. economy.

https://www.icba.org/newsroom/blogs/main-street-matters/2021/08/13/why-community-banks-should-play-an-important-intermediary-role-with-a-cbdc

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Blair's avatar

BidenBucks 🤣🤡

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Bigs's avatar

Stop being such a pussy and get on Qortal

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Good Citizen's avatar

Qortal: All the buzzwords of Web 3.0 with buzz graphics. Gamification of attention with levels for minting instead of creating a unique consensus mechanism using proprietary algos that run behind the curtain and don't turn it into a speculative whore house with people chasing tokens instead of useful communication and information. Close but no cigar. Though, I've seen much worse. C-

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They literally DON'T use the buzzwords, literally just yesterday in a convo one of the guys was saying how they can't do that, because such words have been co-opted by those were do not use them correctly. He gave the example of cross-chain transactions, which are not truly cross-chain.

And yes, unlike a purely speculative coin on a network too slow to use, Qortal is all about communication, information and free speech. Which part of that didn't you like?

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it's not a privacy token (essential in post-cbdc world) and the word privacy appears once on their website, but nowhere near their tech. You cannot have free anything in the digital sphere without privacy (token transactions and content creation). offering an encrypted messaging app is not what I mean either.

I spent five years researching this for a doctorate, so it's not what I like or don't like, it's what is or isn't required to build a new and truly decentralized internet with privacy, and a token of real value, all of which are beyond the reach of states, with no "founders", no foundation, no organization, no tiers, no executives to sell their souls to silicon valley VCs, no ico, no ito, no kyc, no tokens premined for nodes, only premined for the network to self-automate value, no mining, a network powered by people all over the world.

This is a another software (defi) app operation. And if servers belong to third party hosting corp., it's not decentralized. If nodes are co-hosted or co-sponsored (download of others' data required per their own website) then it's distributed and uptime depends on others, data is not fluid. It's more like P2P sponsorship. Mesh networking is the right idea though.

there's no true value backing the token, no true privacy, and no self-automating network to balance time, attention, content, engagement, value, and circulating tokens, so some reserves are burned based on self-assessment through scaling up or down depending on node count, content value, attention extraction etc, ie a smart network that is inherently programmed toward deflation. Think of a swimming pool that balances itself as it expands and more people piss in the pool and it doesn't ever need to be maintained.

Also blockchain is not the tech for privacy. Needs to be layered like a cake, for speed and scalability, something like a three layered DAG. Network-value. Node-value. Content-value. compartmentalized for security. Tokenization runs in the background behind those three that germinates over time based on the entire picture and distributes tokens based on fluctuating figures with the network, nodes, content, value added, keeping reserves for deleted content and nodes. If content is deleted, it takes away value from the node and network that was previously added. If a node leaves (deletes), which is essential for privacy "right to be forgotten"- self-amending chain (which only Tezos appears to be working on)- then the value that node added, needs to be paid for in tokens as value deducted because the swimming pool is losing a swimmer, but the swimmer needs to pay to leave, a fluctuating amount always kept in their reserves for that option based on the value of their node in relation to the whole network. Network needs to be powered by users with incentives to power it. Substratum had the right idea with how that should work to decentralize a new internet.

The leveled minting schedule is atrocious. Based entirely on time wasted passing blocks rather than quality of content contributed and consumed by others (attention-labor-value). It's a multi-level marketing or ponzi scheme incentivized with founder nodes taking 3% of every block just because their "trusted"?

Value is the nectar of online attention. Time is just one measurement of attention-value. Time on the network doesn't equal value added.

Not proof of work. Not proof of stake. Not proof of time.

Proof of Network Value.

Nice idea, great credo, would probably enjoy a pint with the founders at a Reno pub, but wrong premise.

Tell Jason and his Qort crew to get together with Justin Tabb, and create a multi layered compartmentalized and interconnected self-amending DAG run as a self-automated network powered by users. with tokens not the incentive, but Proof of Network Value the mechanism guiding the network (adding network value as nodes, and content, attention-labor) based on all of the above with P2P token transfers possible using zk-SNARKs and I'll gladly work for free on the project and actively promote it.

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Good Citizen's avatar

Holy hell they have floating nodes and edges on their homepage. It must be the future!

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Luc's avatar

Oh good citizen you wait baby.. Qortal IS the future!! TOTALLY decentralized, no KYC and just wait very soon all the apps you wanna have at your fingertips. Just remember FREE speech is FREE for everything or NOT really FREE!

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

It's going to create a huge black market where people simply use old silver coins as money once again.

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Luc's avatar

Yep!! And Crypto that is not a security.

Check out qortal.org white paper join anytime.

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shibumi's avatar

So... the same government that rolled out the Obamacare website is going to be in control of a digital banking system? Right.

I, for one, look forward to the day (probably CBDCs day 2) when hackers add six zeros to every bank account. Just because they can.

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Luc's avatar

Maybe we can get a hacker to start that plan right now LOL

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shibumi's avatar

I have a very liberal friend. I explained CBDCs to her and she was... stunned. Yet I have another liberal friend who just shrugged and said something to the effect of "well, it's progress, we have to adapt.'

I do have to add the second friend does have a fondness for smoking pot, so that could play into her opinion. LOL.

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Luc's avatar

Problem is they have all those on entitlements already on a system they can control. And Millenials and "X" are more likely to bank on their phones so easy peasy for them!!

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wendy broffman's avatar

A lot of people in the USA have figured it out. Do not go quietly into that dark blockchain night.

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Luc's avatar

They don't send out paper checks anymore and when you are living "off the card" no need to have a bank at all.

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A timely warning. I think though that that is more Fire than they want to drop on the dry tinder of the American people right now, but I could be wrong.

I think that rather than making such a move openly they will nationalize the banks a la unlimited FDIC guarantee in exchange for even more control of banking. I expect that they get all of the backend up and running in the banks and hold off on the face of Beastcoin for now.

As an aside, is there a point where we say enough is enough? Or is talking as far as we will ever go?

*edited for spelling

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They've already announced that the CBDC goes live THIS July. 2023. It has been in several substacks the last 2 days. With links to the information.

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Jon Cutchins's avatar

I wouldn't bet on it. Any plans they have went out the window a long time ago. They are just trying to hold the doors on long enough for it to be somebody else's problem.

I won't believe in their master plan for two reasons. One their sheer incompetence has more unintended consequences than they ever imagined. And two they are not the 'stick to it' kind. When things get hairy they make stuff up to try and save their own butts. There is no master plan anymore just stupid, panicking deer in headlights.

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Bandit's avatar

Well, I hope you're right.

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Luc's avatar

They are pushing out "Fed Now" which isn't a total CBDC but close.

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Jon Cutchins's avatar

True, but they haven't posted anything new on FedNow since September, that suggests to me that it isn't on track for release. September is about the time that they admitted inflation was 'sticky' if I remember right, hopefully reality has pushed this horror away for awhile. Or I could be overly optimistic and they are just doing a low key launch. Unfortunately, if they are low key it is not because they fear the American people much as we might wish otherwise, we have proven to be all too pliable to their will, so far.

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Jon Cutchins's avatar

Well maybe they will have it ready. I'm still betting against them though. I don't doubt their malevolence just their competence

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Bigs's avatar

We can walk away - Qortal

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Jon Cutchins's avatar

Well they have pretty much looted the 'developed world's that we don't lose much by walking away. I guess here in rural Georgia walking away just means becoming more disengaged from society and ignoring their laws ever more. That sounds pretty good. But I suspect there will have to be a confrontation sometime. I would prefer sooner to later but I will keep waiting for the right opportunity

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Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

CBDC combined with ESG is a digital social credit score gulag. Here are the receipts on SVB: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/svb-linkedin-receipts

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Cristobal Alvarado's avatar

Journalists like yourself, and others in a position to ask questions, should ask the experts: Why CBDCs rather than a gold standard? CBDCs are just another "currency" tethered to nothing of actual value. Isn't the root cause of the problem the fact that there is nothing stopping governments from abusing their power to create money?

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Bigs's avatar

It's far more than just another currency. It's total spying and control, down to the individual person and individual purchase.

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Thomas Taylor's avatar

Exactly. What is the mechanism by which CBDCs restore faith in a system that is $32T in debt? Is that $32T magically going away the minute CBDCs are instituted? We already have digital money, how often do you pay for something of note with paper money or write a check?

Digital currency has not helped China's debt problems...why would it help ours?

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Bigs's avatar

It's not to help us, it's to give them absolute control. Please look into Qortal and join the network

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SimulationCommander's avatar

The answer to that is "Next question"

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Paul Ashley's avatar

Thanks so much for posting information about members of Congress who are actively opposing a CBDC. Prior to this I'd heard of only one. Under the Constitution, which by the way doesn't mention "the Fed", Congress has the sole power over coinage. Congress need to wake up and take back the power they have for too long ceded to the executive branch. Here's legal scholar's article laying out why only Congress can implement a CBDC: https://bpi.com/legal-authority-to-issue-a-u-s-central-bank-digital-currency/

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Downhill Treehugger's avatar

It will take years to develop, debug and fully deploy a CBDC system even if there was enough public support on implementing it, and I suspect there is not. On its current trajectory, our fiat currency system won’t last that long. It’s not going to be pretty either way.

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Julia's avatar

No, the technical part doesn't take years. CBDC is just some proverbial "money" issued by the government and it doesn't have to be blockchain. FedNow is a government platform which can be used to manage it, it has been in development since 2019 and will be launched in 2023.

The obstacle is legal and might take years. You can't just outlaw other assets, the regular currency, bitcoin and cash. But they're trying to pass bills to redefine the word "money":

https://dailyclout.io/the-tyrants-are-passing-state-laws-to-push-cbdcs/

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Bigs's avatar

They can just copy any of the existing crypto currency systems. It's not as hard as it sounds now, and they have been preparing for some time.

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Downhill Treehugger's avatar

I agree. Consent was never asked for, nor given. This is a massive red flag and in my opinion, CBDC will fail, miserably.

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Crixcyon's avatar

CBDC's will destroy what is left of the country. It will be a living hell. To get your fake digital dollars you will need to submit to all mRNA injections, as many as they demand. You will need to pledge allegiance to the leftist democrat party. You will need to disavow Trump and all republicans. You will need to surrender your gas vehicle. You will need to surrender your guns. You will need to surrender all of your freedom to move about. You will eat only the garbage they allow you to eat. You will give up your religion. You will gladly submit to any and all demands made by the state at any time. Got it?

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Mark's avatar

Suggestion,

Use cash as much as possible.... for everything you can.

The more people using cash, the less likely it is that they will try to do away with it.

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TenSC's avatar

A) Seems like the Fed fears the Venmo’s of the world.

B) Bitcoin scares them and would be a threat if it ever escapes the speculator mentality

C) Potentially the main benefit to the elites and control driven bureaucrats is the social credit system

D) This tactic of launching CDBCs will make cash King, unless they outlaw it. Then we’ll see how much the populace cares.

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Bigs's avatar

Qortal is exactly what you are looking for

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Luc's avatar

YES I would agree EXACTLY!

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Susan's avatar

Here’s the play: As non-favored banks begin to fail, as they will very shortly, ( SVB obviously a highly favored bank consisting of 99.9% hefty lefty donors and PC power brokers and influencers) the Fed will claim FDIC can not (true) and will not make depositors “whole” ...but as a “caring and gracious” overlord they will offer a generous alternative: ( take it or leave it) every dollar of deposit lost will be backed by the full faith equivalent of CBDC’s.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the story of a carefully manufactured crisis being utilized to bring forth the planned implosion of the American dollar.

VOILA!

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Julia's avatar

How are faster payments going to solve the banking crisis? FedNow might serve as a government platform but isn't the same as CBDC.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/federal-reserve-confirms-july-launch-for-fednow-instant-payment-service

"a CBDC would take far longer to get off the ground than FedNow due to regulatory hurdles"

(especially, the Fourth Amendment)

They're trying to pass laws on a state level to redefine "money":

https://dailyclout.io/the-tyrants-are-passing-state-laws-to-push-cbdcs/

Oppose those bills NOW in your state:

https://www.uniformlaws.org/committees/community-home?communitykey=1457c422-ddb7-40b0-8c76-39a1991651ac#:~:text=The%202022%20amendments%20to%20the,intelligence%2C%20and%20other%20technological%20developments.

The SVB collapse was caused by 3 factors: 1. mistakes made by the management 2. Federal Reserve raised the rate too quickly 3. panic. It's justified to be concerned but watch for those spreading panic, they're not your friends.

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Decode the World's avatar

The worst of all this is the debasement of savings.

$12T were issued for "COVID", per the St. Louis Fed Reserve Bank's M1 statistics.

Who received these funds? Who DIDN'T receive a penny?

What about the recent unlimited bailout of depositors at SVB? Who paid for that?

Why the savers did. A way out of this would be to restore Double Liability for Bank Shareholders, Directors and Officers. They would share PERSONAL LIABILITY for their actions.

https://decodetheworld.substack.com/p/double-liability-for-bank-shareholders

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PBinAB's avatar

It is going to be the retailers that enforce CBDC's. If States/Provinces allow other forms of currency to be used and that retailers can opt out of using digital exclusively, it will kill any control measures they have in mind. for the time being anyway.

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Mikey's avatar

Buy lead, lots of it!

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GadflyBytes's avatar

Is bitcoin a hedge against this, as gold previously was (could still be?) to the dollar?

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