Ultimately all Hamas in Gaza must be killed or caged, obviously. Any deal which precludes the destruction of Hamas in Gaza will eventually result in more slaughter of Innocents by Hamas, both those targeted and those used by Hamas as human shields.
You say whatever you need to say to get the hostages home…the notion Israel cares about having credibility with Hamas is absurd. Agree to whatever you need to agree to and once the hostages are safe then Israel can do what is necessary…there simply can’t be a next time that Hamas takes hostages.
Rock and a hard place. Get the women and children out and destroy Hamas. Hamas/ ISIS/ Muslim Brotherhood must be crushed. Political “reality” is what created this problem in the first place. Hamas is a criminal terrorist gang with no mercy. They deserve no mercy in return. As far as the fundamentalist Arab world, commies, useful idiots of the Left and hardcore antisemites on the right, who cares? They are not persuadable and would like nothing better than to see Jews suffer. Honestly the production of a ceasefire won’t convey any military advantage to Hamas. It’s all propaganda from their side. If they had the capacity to beat Israel, they would have done it. This is psychological.
All that matters is strength in the face of adversity and crushing these medieval cretins.
Israel can’t negotiate away its advantage or its sovereignty.Then execute the billionaire Hamas creeps who hide in Qatar. Cowards.
“There are numerous narratives surrounding the situation with Hamas, making it an extremely complex issue. It is similar to the situation of 9/11 in its complexity, and unless you have the time to thoroughly research and understand the different perspectives, it’s best to avoid getting involved.”
Nah, as someone who is open to the posibility of conspiracies on all sides, I would say the main conspiracy in this case is the conspiracy to blame Israel or "globalist elites" for engineering what happened. And this, of course, serves to absolve Hamas (and Iran etc.) of their culpability in what happened.
It's easy to just throw speculation out there, especially with a crowd of people on the internet that are very willing/eager to believe that everything that happens in the world is a conspiracy by Klaus Shwab or the CIA. And I'm not saying WEF or the CIA are innocent, well meaning entities. But if you have ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE of the middle east and its history, or actual knowledge of what happened on the ground on Oct. 7, you would know this is mostly nonsense. Like many popular fabrications, it does have some ground in truth, but that factual basis is wildly distorted to make claims that do not follow the evidence.
Agreed, and I am watching so many people spout parallel rhetoric, both justified, against either side, as if they didn't learn anything from the last 3 years about the msm, brainwashing techniques, nor the advances in technology to create illusions...here's my stance, and always will be my approach: this, and other issues involving humanity, are not zero sum games, and there are win-win solutions that are suppressed for an important reason, so please communicate accordingly, and stop feeding into the evil narrative that consumes and corrupts your souls!
There is pressure among Israelis on the Govt to bring hostages home. I've read Israel has to provide fuel too as part of the deal. Biden also putting pressure on Israel. Congress isn't passing any aid bills for Israel while freeing up access to money for Iran. Israel in a tough spot. I don't like releasing prisoners because now hostage taking is a win win. Still to me, thanks to America's pressure, Israel is in a tough spot.... don't feel too optimistic. No trust in Biden or Hamas when it comes to Israel. Anyone who thinks a 2 state solution is possible when Gaza was essentially Jew free and a de facto 2 state solution, is living in fantasy land. Future looks bleak. Present bleaker.
They should never negotiate with Islamo-Fascists. All it does is free up more murderers who commit more murder and mayhem. Some years ago, the Israelis traded 1500 Hamas soldiers for 1 Israeli soldier. The Hamas terrorists went on to kill dozens of Israelis. Now, they will get a pause in the combat to re-group, arm, and provision, so they can continue the fight and kill more Israelis, probably more than were freed.
During the War Between the States, Grant refused to exchange POW's, as he knew that he'd just have to fight them again. That meant thousands of Union soldiers suffered and died in the prison camps, but saved many more Union lives because Lee needed those soldiers desperately but without them Grant's policy shortened the war.
I want to be on record opposing this awful deal. I live in Israel and am currently in the reserves. This deal is weakness. They claim these prisoners are non violent. So I guess they are jailed for shoplifting? The fact is there is a reason the families of those slaughtered on 7/10 oppose the deal. And when Israel makes an even worse deal in exchange for the men, when it doesn't fight until the end, this will be seen as the moment when it started. As your friend Daniel Horowitz always says: the issues that matter, in the way they matter, at the time they matter. Everyone will want to have gone on record opposing this deal in the future, as we all recognize the terrible outcome of the Shalit deal. Who has the courage to oppose it now? Very few. Moshe Feiglin, Itamar Ben Gvir, and Limor Son Har Melech are among the few. All great champions of Israel. And who supports the deal? Bibi and the rest of the security establishment who destroyed our homes and expelled us from out land in Gaza. I know which side I'm on.
Any sort of pause will give Hamas a chance to re-group, re-arm, and re-provision. It is a mistake. It will ultimately cost more Israeli lives than it will save. Have we learned nothing in the last 50 years?
Hi Howard, the first part of your argument I agree with. Israel is very aware of it too. They must make a concerted effort in the eyes of those grieving brokenhearted families of hostages and the western world at large to bring home as many as possible as soon as possible. Lets see what phase 2 looks like!
They can’t do anything. They would have done it. Israel has them surrounded. FAFO. They want to buy time to generate more international pressure. They underestimated the resolve of Israel this time.
Another demand agreed to is that Israel cease all air surveillance. This while our IDF soldiers are IN Gaza. It's worth remembering that in a previous cease fire Gazan Arabs killed and kidnapped two IDF soldiers, and still haven't given up their bodies. Further, Israel has acceded to hundreds of trucks of fuel. So, Hamas will rearm, improve positions, set traps, keep firing rockets, shoot at IDF soldiers, and have the triumph of releasing hundreds of terrorists = victors to the Arab world. The price will go up substantially for releasing any further hostages. This is a big mistake. The question in Israel is how much blood will we end up paying for it.
I wouldn't worry about the air surveillance. Sleepy Joe and his minions need to shore up the pro-Hamas lobby within their caucus, so they are pushing for concessions from Israel. What will happen is, "Five Eyes" will do the aerial (and other) spying for Israel.
Should Israel trust the forked-tongued Americans? I think we all know the answer to that question.
As much as we all want the hostages to return home this is a huge mistake. It will give hamas time and means to regroup and lead to more hostages being taken and the soldiers will pay the price. I honestly thought the Israeli government had learned a thing or two about negotiating with terrorists after October 7th, but apparently not. The only language they understand is military power and no negotiations until surrender and release of ALL hostages. And certainly not release of any prisoners. Bibi has been cornered by the US government. How many more deals to Israel’s disadvantage are necessary for them to finally learn to not let themselves be blackmailed again?
Thank you. I don't know if you live in Israel but I do. All the worst people support the deal. It's not worth it. Keep fighting until they beg us to take the hostages back.
Yes, I completely agree. I just hope this deal won’t stop the forward momentum the army has had and pray that the soldiers won’t have to pay the price. עם ישראל חי
For as terrible as Hamas is, can you confirm the journalism I've seen that it was funded and created by Israel to avoid having a legitimate political organization for Palestine? I believe Israeli officials have said as much in the past. If so, seems like they're sleeping in the bed they made, unfortunately for their citizens. Maybe Israel should work on bringing back the old Palestinian political organizations that they scuttled, and then they could have peaceful talks.
Quote:
Israel’s Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, one of the most extremist members of the most extremist Israeli government coalition to date, offered an unusually frank assessment of the government’s approach to Hamas in a 2015 interview.
“The Palestinian Authority is a burden, and Hamas is an asset,” Smotrich said at the time. “It’s a terrorist organization, no one will recognize it, no one will give it status at the [International Criminal Court], no one will let it put forth a resolution at the U.N. Security Council.”
Jordan, I follow your writing closely and am so disappointed in this one. It is not an “ideal world” that Israel is seeking, not now, not ever. It is JUSTICE and their very right to exist they seek now. After 46 days of showing Hamas who is stronger and who will win this war in the end, they are in a strong position to get a number of women and children out in exchange for so many more Palestinian prisoners. This is not a numbers game as you have implied but a sincere effort to rescue its citizens from tyranny and reunite them with their families. Israel and the world need that right now to reinvest in the fight against pure evil. Their response to Oct 7 suggests a new Israel, one that is no longer willing to play the same old games the world has demanded of them forcing them to negotiate with terrorists. To what end? Are they safer? Is the world any safer? Quite the contrary. Fighting to push back this horrendous evil among us, the likes of which the world has not seen since The Holocaust, is the noblest cause that the world MUST stand behind and support. With Gods help Israel will accomplish their ultimate goals on behalf of the entire world. I get the small pauses in order to bring as many of the hostages out as possible. So many loses and sacrifices are horrible and this war is escalating but how can we ever keep evil from taking us all over if the pathetic people in power in the west continue to ask Israel to negotiate with terrorists? They will lose some battles but we will win this war!! Can’t wait to see what phase 2 will look like. We agree on this: there is no perfect world.
I understand. However, as painful as it is, perhaps the ultimate sacrifice is needed from the Israeli hostages. Them, along with tens of thousands of the people residing in “Palestine” may need to heed the call to the afterlife for the long-term survival of the Jewish homeland. Bibi gives the order to turn “Palestine” to a parking lot, and then retires to Southern California. Long live Israel.
Ultimately all Hamas in Gaza must be killed or caged, obviously. Any deal which precludes the destruction of Hamas in Gaza will eventually result in more slaughter of Innocents by Hamas, both those targeted and those used by Hamas as human shields.
You say whatever you need to say to get the hostages home…the notion Israel cares about having credibility with Hamas is absurd. Agree to whatever you need to agree to and once the hostages are safe then Israel can do what is necessary…there simply can’t be a next time that Hamas takes hostages.
Israeli government is a satanic entity that sacrificed its own people !
Everything else you discuss here is utter Bullshit as you fail to address REALITY
https://efrat.substack.com/p/raphael-hayons-story-a-silenced-mission
You get it! The propaganda is incredible!
I guess Netanyahu gets off going to prison now. Well played Benjamin.
None are going to prison
None that pushed death vax , or commuted blood sacrifice to the cause of NWO agenda
Substitute "Muslims" for "Hamas", and "the world" for "Gaza" and your post would be totally correct.
Rock and a hard place. Get the women and children out and destroy Hamas. Hamas/ ISIS/ Muslim Brotherhood must be crushed. Political “reality” is what created this problem in the first place. Hamas is a criminal terrorist gang with no mercy. They deserve no mercy in return. As far as the fundamentalist Arab world, commies, useful idiots of the Left and hardcore antisemites on the right, who cares? They are not persuadable and would like nothing better than to see Jews suffer. Honestly the production of a ceasefire won’t convey any military advantage to Hamas. It’s all propaganda from their side. If they had the capacity to beat Israel, they would have done it. This is psychological.
All that matters is strength in the face of adversity and crushing these medieval cretins.
Israel can’t negotiate away its advantage or its sovereignty.Then execute the billionaire Hamas creeps who hide in Qatar. Cowards.
https://westbororabbi.substack.com/p/democide-by-proxy
“There are numerous narratives surrounding the situation with Hamas, making it an extremely complex issue. It is similar to the situation of 9/11 in its complexity, and unless you have the time to thoroughly research and understand the different perspectives, it’s best to avoid getting involved.”
Quote from my article:
https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/why-the-average-american-should-stop
So many questions to be asked:
1) who created Hamas?
2) where these attacks allowed under propaganda as major wars in the past have occurred?
Unless we deep dive into all propaganda and conspiratorial aspects, we may not have the best full image of what’s going on
Danial Greenfield has your answers to, not only the origin of Hamas, but also, of the Arabs known as "Palastinian".
http://www.danielgreenfield.org/
Greenfield’s analysis is spot on. Thank you for sharing.
Israeli government is a satanic entity that sacrificed its own people !
Everything else you discuss here is utter Bullshit as you fail to address REALITY
https://efrat.substack.com/p/raphael-hayons-story-a-silenced-mission
Nah, as someone who is open to the posibility of conspiracies on all sides, I would say the main conspiracy in this case is the conspiracy to blame Israel or "globalist elites" for engineering what happened. And this, of course, serves to absolve Hamas (and Iran etc.) of their culpability in what happened.
It's easy to just throw speculation out there, especially with a crowd of people on the internet that are very willing/eager to believe that everything that happens in the world is a conspiracy by Klaus Shwab or the CIA. And I'm not saying WEF or the CIA are innocent, well meaning entities. But if you have ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE of the middle east and its history, or actual knowledge of what happened on the ground on Oct. 7, you would know this is mostly nonsense. Like many popular fabrications, it does have some ground in truth, but that factual basis is wildly distorted to make claims that do not follow the evidence.
Israeli government is a satanic entity that sacrificed its own people !
Everything else you discuss here is utter Bullshit as you fail to address REALITY
https://efrat.substack.com/p/raphael-hayons-story-a-silenced-mission
Another conspiracy fan?! Welcome! I'm sure you'd like my substack! We dive into all conspiracies from dinosaurs to the earth being round :)
Regarding Hamas and this area, two questions come to mind. 1) are you familiar with the Balfour decoration and would you say that has anything to do with what we're experiencing now? (https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-polarizing-complexity-of-the-f06)
2) what are your takes on how 9/11 and Oct 7th just "happened" to happen? essentially you have two world powers whose defense systems just "happened" to stop working on this specific day? (https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-wars-happen-or-how-theyre-let)
Agreed, and I am watching so many people spout parallel rhetoric, both justified, against either side, as if they didn't learn anything from the last 3 years about the msm, brainwashing techniques, nor the advances in technology to create illusions...here's my stance, and always will be my approach: this, and other issues involving humanity, are not zero sum games, and there are win-win solutions that are suppressed for an important reason, so please communicate accordingly, and stop feeding into the evil narrative that consumes and corrupts your souls!
There is pressure among Israelis on the Govt to bring hostages home. I've read Israel has to provide fuel too as part of the deal. Biden also putting pressure on Israel. Congress isn't passing any aid bills for Israel while freeing up access to money for Iran. Israel in a tough spot. I don't like releasing prisoners because now hostage taking is a win win. Still to me, thanks to America's pressure, Israel is in a tough spot.... don't feel too optimistic. No trust in Biden or Hamas when it comes to Israel. Anyone who thinks a 2 state solution is possible when Gaza was essentially Jew free and a de facto 2 state solution, is living in fantasy land. Future looks bleak. Present bleaker.
Praise G-d these young people are home or soon will be home! I hate how much the young suffer!
They should never negotiate with Islamo-Fascists. All it does is free up more murderers who commit more murder and mayhem. Some years ago, the Israelis traded 1500 Hamas soldiers for 1 Israeli soldier. The Hamas terrorists went on to kill dozens of Israelis. Now, they will get a pause in the combat to re-group, arm, and provision, so they can continue the fight and kill more Israelis, probably more than were freed.
During the War Between the States, Grant refused to exchange POW's, as he knew that he'd just have to fight them again. That meant thousands of Union soldiers suffered and died in the prison camps, but saved many more Union lives because Lee needed those soldiers desperately but without them Grant's policy shortened the war.
Danny Huckabee
Nonsense. Solves nothing for either side! Israel is a rogue entity snd Hamas is a known terror org.
Refute me.
You are a rogue entity. Please learn some history.
This is a reply to Mr Connolly
Israeli government is a satanic entity that sacrificed its own people !
Everything else you discuss here is utter Bullshit as you fail to address REALITY
https://efrat.substack.com/p/raphael-hayons-story-a-silenced-mission
While I am happy that women and children civilians are getting freed from both Hamas and Israeli jails I have to agree with your assessment.
I want to be on record opposing this awful deal. I live in Israel and am currently in the reserves. This deal is weakness. They claim these prisoners are non violent. So I guess they are jailed for shoplifting? The fact is there is a reason the families of those slaughtered on 7/10 oppose the deal. And when Israel makes an even worse deal in exchange for the men, when it doesn't fight until the end, this will be seen as the moment when it started. As your friend Daniel Horowitz always says: the issues that matter, in the way they matter, at the time they matter. Everyone will want to have gone on record opposing this deal in the future, as we all recognize the terrible outcome of the Shalit deal. Who has the courage to oppose it now? Very few. Moshe Feiglin, Itamar Ben Gvir, and Limor Son Har Melech are among the few. All great champions of Israel. And who supports the deal? Bibi and the rest of the security establishment who destroyed our homes and expelled us from out land in Gaza. I know which side I'm on.
Any sort of pause will give Hamas a chance to re-group, re-arm, and re-provision. It is a mistake. It will ultimately cost more Israeli lives than it will save. Have we learned nothing in the last 50 years?
Hi Howard, the first part of your argument I agree with. Israel is very aware of it too. They must make a concerted effort in the eyes of those grieving brokenhearted families of hostages and the western world at large to bring home as many as possible as soon as possible. Lets see what phase 2 looks like!
They can’t do anything. They would have done it. Israel has them surrounded. FAFO. They want to buy time to generate more international pressure. They underestimated the resolve of Israel this time.
Israeli government is a satanic entity that sacrificed its own people !
Everything else you discuss here is utter Bullshit as you fail to address REALITY
https://efrat.substack.com/p/raphael-hayons-story-a-silenced-mission
Another demand agreed to is that Israel cease all air surveillance. This while our IDF soldiers are IN Gaza. It's worth remembering that in a previous cease fire Gazan Arabs killed and kidnapped two IDF soldiers, and still haven't given up their bodies. Further, Israel has acceded to hundreds of trucks of fuel. So, Hamas will rearm, improve positions, set traps, keep firing rockets, shoot at IDF soldiers, and have the triumph of releasing hundreds of terrorists = victors to the Arab world. The price will go up substantially for releasing any further hostages. This is a big mistake. The question in Israel is how much blood will we end up paying for it.
I wouldn't worry about the air surveillance. Sleepy Joe and his minions need to shore up the pro-Hamas lobby within their caucus, so they are pushing for concessions from Israel. What will happen is, "Five Eyes" will do the aerial (and other) spying for Israel.
Should Israel trust the forked-tongued Americans? I think we all know the answer to that question.
But do they have any choice in the matter?
Israeli government is a satanic entity that sacrificed its own people !
Everything else you discuss here is utter Bullshit as you fail to address REALITY
https://efrat.substack.com/p/raphael-hayons-story-a-silenced-mission
you oughtn't misuse the concept of "satan," who wasn't what christianity slandered.
Satan is Saturn - it’s pagan and predates any and every religion
incorrect etymology.
As much as we all want the hostages to return home this is a huge mistake. It will give hamas time and means to regroup and lead to more hostages being taken and the soldiers will pay the price. I honestly thought the Israeli government had learned a thing or two about negotiating with terrorists after October 7th, but apparently not. The only language they understand is military power and no negotiations until surrender and release of ALL hostages. And certainly not release of any prisoners. Bibi has been cornered by the US government. How many more deals to Israel’s disadvantage are necessary for them to finally learn to not let themselves be blackmailed again?
Thank you. I don't know if you live in Israel but I do. All the worst people support the deal. It's not worth it. Keep fighting until they beg us to take the hostages back.
Yes, I completely agree. I just hope this deal won’t stop the forward momentum the army has had and pray that the soldiers won’t have to pay the price. עם ישראל חי
For as terrible as Hamas is, can you confirm the journalism I've seen that it was funded and created by Israel to avoid having a legitimate political organization for Palestine? I believe Israeli officials have said as much in the past. If so, seems like they're sleeping in the bed they made, unfortunately for their citizens. Maybe Israel should work on bringing back the old Palestinian political organizations that they scuttled, and then they could have peaceful talks.
Quote:
Israel’s Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, one of the most extremist members of the most extremist Israeli government coalition to date, offered an unusually frank assessment of the government’s approach to Hamas in a 2015 interview.
“The Palestinian Authority is a burden, and Hamas is an asset,” Smotrich said at the time. “It’s a terrorist organization, no one will recognize it, no one will give it status at the [International Criminal Court], no one will let it put forth a resolution at the U.N. Security Council.”
Jordan, I follow your writing closely and am so disappointed in this one. It is not an “ideal world” that Israel is seeking, not now, not ever. It is JUSTICE and their very right to exist they seek now. After 46 days of showing Hamas who is stronger and who will win this war in the end, they are in a strong position to get a number of women and children out in exchange for so many more Palestinian prisoners. This is not a numbers game as you have implied but a sincere effort to rescue its citizens from tyranny and reunite them with their families. Israel and the world need that right now to reinvest in the fight against pure evil. Their response to Oct 7 suggests a new Israel, one that is no longer willing to play the same old games the world has demanded of them forcing them to negotiate with terrorists. To what end? Are they safer? Is the world any safer? Quite the contrary. Fighting to push back this horrendous evil among us, the likes of which the world has not seen since The Holocaust, is the noblest cause that the world MUST stand behind and support. With Gods help Israel will accomplish their ultimate goals on behalf of the entire world. I get the small pauses in order to bring as many of the hostages out as possible. So many loses and sacrifices are horrible and this war is escalating but how can we ever keep evil from taking us all over if the pathetic people in power in the west continue to ask Israel to negotiate with terrorists? They will lose some battles but we will win this war!! Can’t wait to see what phase 2 will look like. We agree on this: there is no perfect world.
I understand. However, as painful as it is, perhaps the ultimate sacrifice is needed from the Israeli hostages. Them, along with tens of thousands of the people residing in “Palestine” may need to heed the call to the afterlife for the long-term survival of the Jewish homeland. Bibi gives the order to turn “Palestine” to a parking lot, and then retires to Southern California. Long live Israel.
Shalom to us all!
Jordan,
Open your mind and watch this video:
https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/israeli-peace-activist-shai-danon
I don't accept that the IDF needed more than 5 hours - some reports mentioned 8 - to respond to the initial shots. Listen to the video.
When did Australia fill up with retarded Nazis?
RU OK? In the head, slogan-lover?
Have you actually listened to the interview?
It's good you posted this. It can't be ignored. Well done.