Vivek Ramaswamy partnered with the Chinese government to advance 'Chinese biopharmaceutical research abroad,' but changed tune when much-hyped endeavors went belly up
Vivek Ramaswamy partnered with the Chinese government to advance 'Chinese biopharmaceutical research abroad,' but changed tune when much-hyped endeavors went belly up
Thank you Jordan, you've been warning us about Vivek the Fake for a good while now. At least he didn't get a poll bump after his well rehearsed performance on Fox last week. When something is 'too good to be true', buyer beware.
Fox just reported on his Soros fellowship so I don't expect that will go down too well. Ive been trying to say this for 6 months and have been met with nasty, link please, source please.
I am reserving judgment until all the reports are in. It's been shown, time and time again, that if you pose a threat, you immediately become victim to a swarm of negativity. Surprised he hasn't been accused of gang rape yet. Only time will tell.
JB808, I’m really surprised the majority here don’t share this opinion of open mind, and instead a rush to ‘this guy is a Trojan Horse, beware!’ It’s really strange. I’m a skeptical person myself, want to know more about VR before I make final verdict. But the Kool-Aid for some here seems extra strong. I’m either ‘behind’ the knowledge of others. Or others are operating on emotions/intuition
Same here, Matt L. Don't people know the drill, by now? Admittedly, I was a little nervous when the negative articles started coming out, cuz I've liked Vivek ever since he started his own business to combat Blackrock and all the ESG nonsense. I had to laugh when someone called him "Ramaswampy". I like his policies still (and he seems to be the only one who wants to talk about them) until he proves himself to be "swampy", I'll continue to like him. Thanks for your response. 👍🇺🇸🍺
Yes, his investment fund, Strive is promoted as anti ESG, but his companies promoted ESG on their websites (now scrubbed). Also, he has pocketed hundreds of millions on the backs of investors, but as far as I can tell there has only ever been one product to market - a topical cream for plaque psoriasis. Not exactly "transformative medicines" as he promotes.
I don't blame him for partnering with Chinese firms; that was in vogue just a few years ago (was it ethical at the time? not sure). I do however, take issue with his ties to Pfizer, his promotion of Covid patient database in partnership with WHO I believe, and his pushing of masks and C19 injections. Also, just a personal issue of mine, but I do not trust vegans as far as I can throw their beyond meat burgers!
Indeed, Vivek is an impressive speaker and I do like many of his messages, but be wary.
Politicians need to earn trust and respect. To do so based on words alone has led us to exactly where we are today. Puppets, liars and grifters until proven otherwise. Every. Single. One.
To me, there is no greater agenda than reducing the size & scope of our managerial class and that is why I support the only GOP candidates who also state they hold this view: Trump & Vivek. No other candidate (except RFK Jr. On Dem side) hold this position. If you don’t wanna listen to the interview, don’t. But encourage you to give the man a shot. You are not going to hear an approach like his from any others.
Do you have any idea how hard it is to ‘drain the swamp’? Serious question.
Check out Doug Wilson’s ‘Grenada’ strategy to do it. In short, start w/ small swamp agency, show it can be done on agency that does not impact average American citizen. Then move on from there. Need a POTUS cheerleader to masses + majorities in both chambers.
Man, I don't know... I worked for a very large Chinese company (Haier) from 2011-2016 and it was very different... A ton of global investment in China, tons of products everyone of us was buying from China... and still do. Everyone should look at what computer, phone, keyboard, monitor or half a dozen other items and determine where they came from. When Trump got in, he changed dialog. But also when Trump was in we found the Waiwei spying tech built into major components and things were dicey. Then Covid...and sure, it is nice to blame China on that, but that was a US led project in China...so was it the Chinese? Really? For some reason, we all just believe China to be an enemy, but that is a relatively recent broad messaging, whereas there was a lot of money flowing between the countries, and if you didn't get any money from that (as a company, not a politician's kid), you feel you missed out.
If Vivek's interests were working over there, I would want him to divest himself from it. But it's weird to go back in time and hate on something everyone was doing in the early 10s until covid. Are you mad at me for taking a job with a Chinese firm? What I hate about Covid is the crackdown of the Chinese government, and I never get to talk to my colleagues there who were all great people. Sad, really.
I too have met some fantastic Chinese people. The communist regime is to blame. It is truly the enemy of the United States and the rest of the world. They are playing the long game, and are currently buying up strategic land in Africa. However, this is not going to end well for them. Revelation 19:11-16.
China is the fall back “enemy du jour” for the DC/London intelligence cabal when they need to back off Russia for a while. Russia is kicking our collective ass in Biden’s Proxy War sacrificing Ukraine on the altar of “World Peace and Democracy…” which is so perverted as to be unrecognizable to anyone with a brain…
China and Taiwan will find detente if left alone without our degenerate meddling to egg on conflict. The Chinese dont want war any more than we do but they are on the Rise and we sadly are not …
their war preparations and public statements indicate otherwise.
It’s been widely reported in the world press that the current leader of China has ordered their military forces to be ready for war with the US by 2027, and possibly much sooner.
You might want to check out this speech by their former defense minister (and People’s Liberation Army General) from twenty years ago which details China’s overall strategy against the US.
The speech is available at many reputable websites and has NEVER been disavowed by the Chinese government.
I know that it’s fashionable to blame the US for all of the world’s problems, but it looks to me as if the Chinese government is planning to START a war against us.
VR, if he were to become Trump’s VP, together those 2 would have the opportunity to win and try to do something truly historic, like showing the country they could eliminate one of the 3 letter agencies. Doesn’t matter which one, they can start small. Just show it can be done, then let the war begin. We live in time where we can’t grasp the government actually shrinking. We need historic figures to help show that is actually possible. Leaders that can motivate the citizens from the pulpit to pressure their Representatives to go along with this kind of dismantlement. I don’t see any others besides Trump and VR with this potential.
There is no other candidate besides Trump & VR that can speak ‘on their feet’ and go on the offensive at any time, place and venue. Bring them together on one glorious ticket. Long term, VR has potential to be guy to help unify citizenry across generations and ethnicities.
I want to like Vivek but when he does one thing and says the opposite 12 months later I don’t trust his words.
A lot of people will find this offensive or racist or whatever but he’s Indian. The culture in India is not close to Western culture, the norms are a lot different. Honesty has no value in Indian culture, if anything it’s a fault. Not all billion Indians are like this, but their culture is.
Source: I know a lot of Indians and have been told this by them. It’s also pretty obvious.
CK, thanks for your honesty here about VR race/ethnicity. I don’t agree with you but I can appreciate where you’re coming from. I have a good friend (Persian) who owns his own install floor biz for many years. He tells me he hates to give bids to Indian people, as he finds he gets used over and over by them, and that has formed a prejudice in him. That makes me sad to hear, but the culture you speak of is a thing. I’d leave you with the thought that VR was born, raised & educated in the USA, and not India. Have a read about his ‘early life’ in this wiki page. It states some of his social views were influenced by his elementary school, conservative Christian piano teacher. He attended a Jesuit HS then on to Harvard & Yale. His dad was an engineer for GE and his mom an old person (geriatric) psychiatrist.
I’ll vote for him if he is the Republican nominee unless the Dems roll out RFK, I’m not sure what I’d do there.
I will give Vivek credit for his rhetoric. It’s clearly resonating with the electorate and as his poll numbers continue to rise he will push everyone to the right. His talk track is extremely appealing - common sense America First stuff. If his only contribution is moving the candidates then his time will have been well spent.
You really never do know. Trump was a lib at one point. Marjorie Green was a political outsider for 2 years until she got vacuumed up by the establishment.
I also like RFK Jr. I'm just not seeing him getting the Dem nomination. It would be a welcome miracle though if he did. The more plausible ticket is Trump/Ramaswamy. But Trump could also choose someone totally different and 'Pence like'. I hope he doesn't. The thing is though that POTUS isn't enough, you also need each chamber of Congress with slight majorities in alignment to the Executive. Trump indeed was a liberal before, and I think that handicapped him during his 1st term, in the trust he placed in certain people, who were actually against him. Now though, I want to believe he has seen the true face of the administrative power of the Federal government, and if re-elected, will take it on headfirst. I think this is why Tucker asked him in recent interview whether Trump fears being 'Epstein-ed' if these frivolous lawsuits don't stop him...
CK, check out this 12min listen. Got this from another stack I follow. It’s Doug Wilson waxing about how we could someday get to a smaller government, and what it would actually take to get there. It’s a total mind shift first, to the possibility. Then a ‘start small’ strategy. I feel like both RFK Jr. & VR would ‘like’ this:
Jordan, I’ve been subscribed to your stack for a spell. Enjoying your posts and information. I’m also noting the posts you ‘like’. I’ve caught on well you have a healthy skepticism of Vivek. I also like that you question the US national security value of our government’s venture into Ukraine.
What I’m curious to know is ‘who you are for’ in regards to 2024 general election, at this point in the cycle. Maybe you don’t know yet. In that case, who are you leaning towards at this point?
You can always change your mind. As I hope you recognize, so can Vivek.
Aug 28, 2023·edited Aug 28, 2023Liked by Jordan Schachtel
Great journalism. Thank you for this information. Vivek Ramaswamy has more vitality, youth and charm in his pinkie than each of the others on the debate stage have in their whole body. He is gifted at pitching ideas, communicating, and connecting with an audience. All that aside, I would not support a candidate that is that intertwined in the pharmaceutical world and partnering with China on US healthcare. Also, if he even got close to being a contender to be the 'big guy', the deep state and MSM would stir up fear regarding his Hindu religion, same as they would have done to Tulsi Gabbard.
Mary, VR is already starting to take heat due to his recent debate performance. They are already trying to pull him down. He was the ‘Trump’ of debate stage when Trump didn’t attend. All attacks on VR because he was telling truths. Who did candidates look to first to raise hands on certain hot button questions? VR. If you support Trump, consider that vs. the rest of the empty suits/skirts and neocons that surrounded him
“How to legally steal Millions and get away with it”: First: Form a Gigantic “bio pharmaceutical corporation” on paper with a “promising new genetically engineered drug” for cancer, Alzheimers, Covid etc about to enter trials! Second, Make sure it’s touted by at least one or more For Sale “research scientists” who get paid Big Bucks to write complex sciencey sounding papers praising such long shots to fool the Billionaire Rubes into throwing Billions of dollars into it. Third, Wow! These Rubes with glitzy digs and three color brochures, Zoom conferences and Four Seasons Events. Fourth, pay yourself as President/CEO tens of millions of dollars for your “expertise”!! Five, walK away with a shrug as the venture goes sour! Six, if your Ego is Big enough …Run for President! Sound preposterous? It worked for Trump why not this “Billionaire”?
That’s exactly why he’s there. To split votes. He’s an obvious Trump surrogate. The republicans did the same thing in Ohio. Ran a “farmer” as an actual viable candidate against DeWine in the primaries. And it picked off votes for Jim Renacci. Blythstone never had a chance. He was a prop. And now we’re stuck with DeWine. Again.
Katie, I'm as bummed as you are that Renacci lost and Dewine is back in the governor's mansion here in Ohio, but the idea that Blystone was a plant to siphon votes from Renacci is far from the truth. He was just an ordinary guy, and business owner, who quickly became sick of the authoritarian COVID policies and mustered up enough confidence from keeping his restaurant open and defying mask mandates that he thought maybe he'd try his hand at the ultimate job of standing up for the people of Ohio. Was that incredibly naive? Yeah, kinda. But at least he tried. I think it's better to do something from conviction or belief than to play political games centered around how many votes you're going to take away from some other candidate.
Hi Katie, if VR is a Trump surrogate, is that a negative to you? If so, who should GOP supporters get behind? Personally, I want Trump to be our next president in '24. I also would not mind RFK Jr., but I feel that he is an extreme longshot.
This is not a plug or vote for Vivek but let’s be realistic. China is an economic powerhouse and anyone who wants to make money in US (inc the government) is working with or dependent on doing business w the Chinese. I doubt Vivek was planning on running for Pres when he saw a massive opportunity to become the millionaire he is. So at least he has first hand experience of how they operate. Clearly he’s great at raising capital. As President would he sell our collective souls to China. I think that ship has sailed. Can we trust his word to bring the ship home? Who know!
The main threat to our nation is within, not without. China's influences would have no effect if sympathizers in both parties, leadership, business, academia, media, etc weren't already aligned with global interests that China prefers. So I'm not one to point at them and worry nearly as much as I am about enemies within.
That said, this was aired in Australia in November, 2019, just months before "pandemic" screamed officials and media across the world. Propaganda or expose, you decide. But there's certainly a lot that we see and can see around us that was, or has come true and we've felt the effects of. Like election meddling, Manchurian candidates, media influence, cancel culture as intimidation, etc.
WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Chinese spy spills secrets to expose Communist espionage
Freedom Fox, thanks for sharing this, I’ve not seen before this interview w/ late 20’s Chinese spy/defector. I have many friends in Hong Kong from business over the years and this strikes a chord of sadness for what has befallen these friends and their kids.
I’m first struck by difference between USA 60 Minutes since mid 2000’s and Aussie 60 Minutes you post from 2019. I feel like Australia version is the 60 Minutes I watched in USA, during the 1980’s.
I’ve watch 10min of 40min clip.
I want to ask you, is your sharing to suggest that VR, born and raised in Ohio USA - is potentially a China agent? Asking because you post after BF call that VR could be a Trojan Horse?
That's a good question. Many people have a lot of reservations about VR, his Paul Soros Fellowship, his Big Pharma history, his rigged election complicity, him paying to scrub Wiki of parts of his bio that are troubling to GOP primary voters, a whole lot of flags around him. Could he have had an epiphany on the Road to Damascus? Only he knows. Though he had a MSM interview after the Faux debate in WI where he mocked Trump and election integrity issues.
I posted it aware of these issues I raise, and having seen the Chinese spy video in early 2020 I remembered the section where the spy acknowledged that the CCP had Manchurian candidates on both sides of a national leadership election, one candidate pointing at the other saying the other was a CCP sympathizer, while the candidate making an issue of it was actually a Manchurian candidate himself. Heads CCP wins, tails CCP wins. The one making an issue was very versant in patriotism for his country, could speak the language of a China detractor.
Like many elected as conservatives we've learned in the past three years are Patriot Whisperers, trained in the language and symbolism of MAGA, able to articulate the values of Patriots in order to disarm them and be seen as one of them. Like the Clinton's and Obama's changing their accents for southern and audiences vs northern and and academic audiences. But more sophisticated, more than just an accent.
Video shared to alert others about this technique of ingratiating candidates to voters that is tried and truly effective for those who don't dig deeper, get seduced by all the right words and passions. While Road to Damascus conversions do happen, they're rare. And we ought to judge people by the company they keep and the bodies of work that their lives are. Whether or not VR is a Trojan Horse I can't say. But I believe he deserves a great deal of skepticism and scrutiny, hard questions. A newcomer who comes along singing a song with all the perfect notes is just too neatly wrapped a gift. We should stare this gift horse in the face. To see if it is a Trojan one or not.
Thanks Fox, you raise great and salient points. We don’t know all about VR, and for that I appreciate Jordan (and other critical thinkers here) shining light so we can debate & question. I don’t see many other media sources putting critical lens on VR but I’m also time pressed to look around too deeply and have become skeptical of most (all) MSM sources. They all have a specific bias. I know alternative sources exist, I just hope here w/ Jordan, I’ve found one that is honest, and not a Trojan Horse front for another candidate.
One thing I do like about VR is that he talks about truths I do not see other candidates speak of. At the last debate in particular he highlighted fatherlessness as a root cause of many (most?) societal ills. That resonated with me. Is that something too tightly wrapped as a gift, if our fellow Americans have never heard that ‘gift’ from a politician? He also talked about energy policy the same way Trump would.
I can’t recall in my lifetime hearing this (fatherlessness = societal downfall) from the stump— but perhaps in my younger years I wasn’t listening well enough. To me that is supreme Truth, and needs repeating
Agreed. He's bringing up issues that should be discussed in a GOP debate and campaign. Unlike every single other candidate on the stage and in the media. Talking about nothing that the overwhelming majority of Republicans care about. So hat tip to him. And, I'm pleased to have had his voice on the stage that no real R's watched.
Faux News viewership now is the CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS viewer pre-2021. The "centrist" D's and U's who are alienated from their party but can't stomach Trump. Faux is the corporatist Rino's and homeless classic liberals go-to channel today. Not GOP primary voters pre-2021.
VR's voice to them is one they need to hear, but they'll dismiss him because they aren't ready to hear it. Yet.
Freedom, what’s your thoughts on impact of the Trump mugshot? Do you think it will fade away, or can Trump basically campaign on this as a martyr? You may have seen this montage online. I wonder if this could have legs, and bring in more minority votes who see common cause. It’s all so unprecedented. I’m an optimist by nature so I could be biased that this could help bring some not insignificant portion of races together, behind Trump. If it did that would delight me to no end
I believe it helps him. I'd like to be optimistic, too. But I worked in and around elections enough in thirty years, first as a volunteer, then as a paid professional. I know how elections look, what election workers do, how results are tabulated, monitored, reported, etc. And I know whatever was left of fair election systems was obliterated in 2020 and again in 2022 in key contests.
I was a part of the election reform hearings in my state that brought machines into use following the 2000 'Hanging Chads' election, and none of the election safety and integrity protocols are followed now, even trying to perform election accountability as the laws said must be done is deemed a criminal act now. So my faith in the 2024 results being how voters truly vote is very low.
Elections *are* rigged. And not just against Trump. They have been for a longer time than most, including me having been around and in them would like to admit. Narrative. That's what declared election results are predicated on. If it's *plausible* for the losing candidate to win who's favored by the System Lords then that losing candidate will be declared the winner. Plausibility. That's all they are after.
If Trump or any MAGA is going to win in this New World Order election environment they will have to win so convincingly with so many more voters choosing them than their opponent that false results won't pass the plausibility test. Where everyone you know, strangers on the street, in the stores, pretty much everyone you see - absent a small minority, say 30% or under - voted for Trump/MAGA and speaks their truth to it so the rigged results aren't in any way plausible.
That's the only way to win against a system that is so horribly rigged. No 'silent' Trump voters. Silence allows the theft of our votes to happen. Others don't see the true numbers of supporters and go along with the news reports declaring the loser the winner, Because it will sound plausible without the roar of Trump/MAGA voters being heard over the media talking heads outside the voting booth...which is rigged.
Bringing along the minority vote is huge for this. Will need them to get to 70% majority for Trump/MAGA. Just to hazard an educated guess I'd say Trump really got about 54% in 2020, a solid win, more than Clinton or Obama ever got. But not enough to overcome the rigging. With the minority vote he gets over 60%, maybe 65%, gotta scrounge for the rest to get to 70%. Can it be done? Tough. That's going to be tough. Unheard of in US history. But, that optimism thing, huh?
I’m not defending Vivek. I’m not going to vote for him. But every sector of our economy has ties to China. Ties which were encouraged, until the Trump era, from the top down. Ties which are still there in most cases. Ties which should be broken. I will say that smart people learn from their experience and change their minds. Dumb people do not. Is Vivek a closet CCP-phile. No idea. But he might simply have realized that he no longer wants to do business with them. Everybody will make up their own mind on that one. The article is useful information. Thanks.
He did a Chinese joint venture, yawn. It’s the largest effing single market in the world, and that really matters in the drug market, it’s a global market w a global supply chain. To whine about this is to admit you are unsophisticated rube, to write a screed of nonsense about it is to admit you are a hack, so better, this is the kind of smear job I expect from the Left.
Thank you Jordan, you've been warning us about Vivek the Fake for a good while now. At least he didn't get a poll bump after his well rehearsed performance on Fox last week. When something is 'too good to be true', buyer beware.
Fox just reported on his Soros fellowship so I don't expect that will go down too well. Ive been trying to say this for 6 months and have been met with nasty, link please, source please.
It's like Google Vivek Soros - it's all there.
https://www.pdsoros.org/meet-the-fellows/vivek-ramaswamy
I don't support anyone within spending 10 minutes cross checking their name with the pedo party.
A lot to like with what he says, but a lot to dislike about what he's done.
Ah!
So he's a natural politician!
I am reserving judgment until all the reports are in. It's been shown, time and time again, that if you pose a threat, you immediately become victim to a swarm of negativity. Surprised he hasn't been accused of gang rape yet. Only time will tell.
JB808, I’m really surprised the majority here don’t share this opinion of open mind, and instead a rush to ‘this guy is a Trojan Horse, beware!’ It’s really strange. I’m a skeptical person myself, want to know more about VR before I make final verdict. But the Kool-Aid for some here seems extra strong. I’m either ‘behind’ the knowledge of others. Or others are operating on emotions/intuition
Same here, Matt L. Don't people know the drill, by now? Admittedly, I was a little nervous when the negative articles started coming out, cuz I've liked Vivek ever since he started his own business to combat Blackrock and all the ESG nonsense. I had to laugh when someone called him "Ramaswampy". I like his policies still (and he seems to be the only one who wants to talk about them) until he proves himself to be "swampy", I'll continue to like him. Thanks for your response. 👍🇺🇸🍺
Yes, his investment fund, Strive is promoted as anti ESG, but his companies promoted ESG on their websites (now scrubbed). Also, he has pocketed hundreds of millions on the backs of investors, but as far as I can tell there has only ever been one product to market - a topical cream for plaque psoriasis. Not exactly "transformative medicines" as he promotes.
I don't blame him for partnering with Chinese firms; that was in vogue just a few years ago (was it ethical at the time? not sure). I do however, take issue with his ties to Pfizer, his promotion of Covid patient database in partnership with WHO I believe, and his pushing of masks and C19 injections. Also, just a personal issue of mine, but I do not trust vegans as far as I can throw their beyond meat burgers!
Indeed, Vivek is an impressive speaker and I do like many of his messages, but be wary.
Politicians need to earn trust and respect. To do so based on words alone has led us to exactly where we are today. Puppets, liars and grifters until proven otherwise. Every. Single. One.
Hey Joel, if you have the time an inclination, listen to Peterson’s long format interview of Vivek from 2 weeks ago. Get to know his agenda.
https://youtu.be/rlTY7VzqBwc?si=AE3XYIA2ABMhRSZr
To me, there is no greater agenda than reducing the size & scope of our managerial class and that is why I support the only GOP candidates who also state they hold this view: Trump & Vivek. No other candidate (except RFK Jr. On Dem side) hold this position. If you don’t wanna listen to the interview, don’t. But encourage you to give the man a shot. You are not going to hear an approach like his from any others.
I am well aware what he is about. He says what people want to hear, like all politicians. Remember Drain the Swamp? How'd that work out?
Do you have any idea how hard it is to ‘drain the swamp’? Serious question.
Check out Doug Wilson’s ‘Grenada’ strategy to do it. In short, start w/ small swamp agency, show it can be done on agency that does not impact average American citizen. Then move on from there. Need a POTUS cheerleader to masses + majorities in both chambers.
https://youtu.be/h1FlH3TrLl0?si=1kJdmJ0sniyuWu_s
Maybe stop looking to tear down candidates and instead look up at bigger picture and support those candidates in favor of changing our trajectory?
And ain't that a common reality.
Doesn't that seem to the same for all of them
Man, I don't know... I worked for a very large Chinese company (Haier) from 2011-2016 and it was very different... A ton of global investment in China, tons of products everyone of us was buying from China... and still do. Everyone should look at what computer, phone, keyboard, monitor or half a dozen other items and determine where they came from. When Trump got in, he changed dialog. But also when Trump was in we found the Waiwei spying tech built into major components and things were dicey. Then Covid...and sure, it is nice to blame China on that, but that was a US led project in China...so was it the Chinese? Really? For some reason, we all just believe China to be an enemy, but that is a relatively recent broad messaging, whereas there was a lot of money flowing between the countries, and if you didn't get any money from that (as a company, not a politician's kid), you feel you missed out.
If Vivek's interests were working over there, I would want him to divest himself from it. But it's weird to go back in time and hate on something everyone was doing in the early 10s until covid. Are you mad at me for taking a job with a Chinese firm? What I hate about Covid is the crackdown of the Chinese government, and I never get to talk to my colleagues there who were all great people. Sad, really.
Well said. And if taking a scholarship from a Soros foundation is equal to signing your soul away in blood, I'll wait till more info comes in.
I too have met some fantastic Chinese people. The communist regime is to blame. It is truly the enemy of the United States and the rest of the world. They are playing the long game, and are currently buying up strategic land in Africa. However, this is not going to end well for them. Revelation 19:11-16.
China is the fall back “enemy du jour” for the DC/London intelligence cabal when they need to back off Russia for a while. Russia is kicking our collective ass in Biden’s Proxy War sacrificing Ukraine on the altar of “World Peace and Democracy…” which is so perverted as to be unrecognizable to anyone with a brain…
China and Taiwan will find detente if left alone without our degenerate meddling to egg on conflict. The Chinese dont want war any more than we do but they are on the Rise and we sadly are not …
“The Chinese dont want war any more than we do”
Are you sure about that? Because
their war preparations and public statements indicate otherwise.
It’s been widely reported in the world press that the current leader of China has ordered their military forces to be ready for war with the US by 2027, and possibly much sooner.
You might want to check out this speech by their former defense minister (and People’s Liberation Army General) from twenty years ago which details China’s overall strategy against the US.
https://archive.org/details/the-secret-speech-of-chinese-general-chi-haotian-ii
The speech is available at many reputable websites and has NEVER been disavowed by the Chinese government.
I know that it’s fashionable to blame the US for all of the world’s problems, but it looks to me as if the Chinese government is planning to START a war against us.
It’s too bad, he says so many of the right things. As they say, talk is cheap.
CK,
Is this the ‘cheap talk’ you speak of? :
https://youtu.be/3SrEZC0TPic?si=CvNLOfC53tqKBhev
VR, if he were to become Trump’s VP, together those 2 would have the opportunity to win and try to do something truly historic, like showing the country they could eliminate one of the 3 letter agencies. Doesn’t matter which one, they can start small. Just show it can be done, then let the war begin. We live in time where we can’t grasp the government actually shrinking. We need historic figures to help show that is actually possible. Leaders that can motivate the citizens from the pulpit to pressure their Representatives to go along with this kind of dismantlement. I don’t see any others besides Trump and VR with this potential.
There is no other candidate besides Trump & VR that can speak ‘on their feet’ and go on the offensive at any time, place and venue. Bring them together on one glorious ticket. Long term, VR has potential to be guy to help unify citizenry across generations and ethnicities.
I want to like Vivek but when he does one thing and says the opposite 12 months later I don’t trust his words.
A lot of people will find this offensive or racist or whatever but he’s Indian. The culture in India is not close to Western culture, the norms are a lot different. Honesty has no value in Indian culture, if anything it’s a fault. Not all billion Indians are like this, but their culture is.
Source: I know a lot of Indians and have been told this by them. It’s also pretty obvious.
CK, thanks for your honesty here about VR race/ethnicity. I don’t agree with you but I can appreciate where you’re coming from. I have a good friend (Persian) who owns his own install floor biz for many years. He tells me he hates to give bids to Indian people, as he finds he gets used over and over by them, and that has formed a prejudice in him. That makes me sad to hear, but the culture you speak of is a thing. I’d leave you with the thought that VR was born, raised & educated in the USA, and not India. Have a read about his ‘early life’ in this wiki page. It states some of his social views were influenced by his elementary school, conservative Christian piano teacher. He attended a Jesuit HS then on to Harvard & Yale. His dad was an engineer for GE and his mom an old person (geriatric) psychiatrist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Ramaswamy
I’ll vote for him if he is the Republican nominee unless the Dems roll out RFK, I’m not sure what I’d do there.
I will give Vivek credit for his rhetoric. It’s clearly resonating with the electorate and as his poll numbers continue to rise he will push everyone to the right. His talk track is extremely appealing - common sense America First stuff. If his only contribution is moving the candidates then his time will have been well spent.
You really never do know. Trump was a lib at one point. Marjorie Green was a political outsider for 2 years until she got vacuumed up by the establishment.
I also like RFK Jr. I'm just not seeing him getting the Dem nomination. It would be a welcome miracle though if he did. The more plausible ticket is Trump/Ramaswamy. But Trump could also choose someone totally different and 'Pence like'. I hope he doesn't. The thing is though that POTUS isn't enough, you also need each chamber of Congress with slight majorities in alignment to the Executive. Trump indeed was a liberal before, and I think that handicapped him during his 1st term, in the trust he placed in certain people, who were actually against him. Now though, I want to believe he has seen the true face of the administrative power of the Federal government, and if re-elected, will take it on headfirst. I think this is why Tucker asked him in recent interview whether Trump fears being 'Epstein-ed' if these frivolous lawsuits don't stop him...
CK, check out this 12min listen. Got this from another stack I follow. It’s Doug Wilson waxing about how we could someday get to a smaller government, and what it would actually take to get there. It’s a total mind shift first, to the possibility. Then a ‘start small’ strategy. I feel like both RFK Jr. & VR would ‘like’ this:
https://youtu.be/h1FlH3TrLl0?si=JFOo--LxYQ1iLEwx
Jordan, I’ve been subscribed to your stack for a spell. Enjoying your posts and information. I’m also noting the posts you ‘like’. I’ve caught on well you have a healthy skepticism of Vivek. I also like that you question the US national security value of our government’s venture into Ukraine.
What I’m curious to know is ‘who you are for’ in regards to 2024 general election, at this point in the cycle. Maybe you don’t know yet. In that case, who are you leaning towards at this point?
You can always change your mind. As I hope you recognize, so can Vivek.
Great journalism. Thank you for this information. Vivek Ramaswamy has more vitality, youth and charm in his pinkie than each of the others on the debate stage have in their whole body. He is gifted at pitching ideas, communicating, and connecting with an audience. All that aside, I would not support a candidate that is that intertwined in the pharmaceutical world and partnering with China on US healthcare. Also, if he even got close to being a contender to be the 'big guy', the deep state and MSM would stir up fear regarding his Hindu religion, same as they would have done to Tulsi Gabbard.
Mary, VR is already starting to take heat due to his recent debate performance. They are already trying to pull him down. He was the ‘Trump’ of debate stage when Trump didn’t attend. All attacks on VR because he was telling truths. Who did candidates look to first to raise hands on certain hot button questions? VR. If you support Trump, consider that vs. the rest of the empty suits/skirts and neocons that surrounded him
These are early days. Our election cycle is too long.
Trump is clearly the favorite republican candidate that has the most support
against a Democrat challenger.
“How to legally steal Millions and get away with it”: First: Form a Gigantic “bio pharmaceutical corporation” on paper with a “promising new genetically engineered drug” for cancer, Alzheimers, Covid etc about to enter trials! Second, Make sure it’s touted by at least one or more For Sale “research scientists” who get paid Big Bucks to write complex sciencey sounding papers praising such long shots to fool the Billionaire Rubes into throwing Billions of dollars into it. Third, Wow! These Rubes with glitzy digs and three color brochures, Zoom conferences and Four Seasons Events. Fourth, pay yourself as President/CEO tens of millions of dollars for your “expertise”!! Five, walK away with a shrug as the venture goes sour! Six, if your Ego is Big enough …Run for President! Sound preposterous? It worked for Trump why not this “Billionaire”?
If I were a betting man I would wager Vivek’s role is primarily to divert attention from the DeSantis campaign.
I think DeSantis does that just fine by himself.
That’s exactly why he’s there. To split votes. He’s an obvious Trump surrogate. The republicans did the same thing in Ohio. Ran a “farmer” as an actual viable candidate against DeWine in the primaries. And it picked off votes for Jim Renacci. Blythstone never had a chance. He was a prop. And now we’re stuck with DeWine. Again.
Katie, I'm as bummed as you are that Renacci lost and Dewine is back in the governor's mansion here in Ohio, but the idea that Blystone was a plant to siphon votes from Renacci is far from the truth. He was just an ordinary guy, and business owner, who quickly became sick of the authoritarian COVID policies and mustered up enough confidence from keeping his restaurant open and defying mask mandates that he thought maybe he'd try his hand at the ultimate job of standing up for the people of Ohio. Was that incredibly naive? Yeah, kinda. But at least he tried. I think it's better to do something from conviction or belief than to play political games centered around how many votes you're going to take away from some other candidate.
Hi Katie, if VR is a Trump surrogate, is that a negative to you? If so, who should GOP supporters get behind? Personally, I want Trump to be our next president in '24. I also would not mind RFK Jr., but I feel that he is an extreme longshot.
VERY INTERESTING! Thank you.
It’s all part if the plan. Master-bait & switch.
What is the switch, Philanthropy?
Ramaswamy seems like a good puppet, young global leader of 2021 and a fellow of that here
https://www.pdsoros.org/meet-the-fellows/vivek-ramaswamy
How much is he himself when he talks?
This is not a plug or vote for Vivek but let’s be realistic. China is an economic powerhouse and anyone who wants to make money in US (inc the government) is working with or dependent on doing business w the Chinese. I doubt Vivek was planning on running for Pres when he saw a massive opportunity to become the millionaire he is. So at least he has first hand experience of how they operate. Clearly he’s great at raising capital. As President would he sell our collective souls to China. I think that ship has sailed. Can we trust his word to bring the ship home? Who know!
Must add I’m not keen on the COVID registry thing so he needs to answer to that.
The main threat to our nation is within, not without. China's influences would have no effect if sympathizers in both parties, leadership, business, academia, media, etc weren't already aligned with global interests that China prefers. So I'm not one to point at them and worry nearly as much as I am about enemies within.
That said, this was aired in Australia in November, 2019, just months before "pandemic" screamed officials and media across the world. Propaganda or expose, you decide. But there's certainly a lot that we see and can see around us that was, or has come true and we've felt the effects of. Like election meddling, Manchurian candidates, media influence, cancel culture as intimidation, etc.
WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Chinese spy spills secrets to expose Communist espionage
60 Minutes Australia, November 24, 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdR-I35Ladk
Freedom Fox, thanks for sharing this, I’ve not seen before this interview w/ late 20’s Chinese spy/defector. I have many friends in Hong Kong from business over the years and this strikes a chord of sadness for what has befallen these friends and their kids.
I’m first struck by difference between USA 60 Minutes since mid 2000’s and Aussie 60 Minutes you post from 2019. I feel like Australia version is the 60 Minutes I watched in USA, during the 1980’s.
I’ve watch 10min of 40min clip.
I want to ask you, is your sharing to suggest that VR, born and raised in Ohio USA - is potentially a China agent? Asking because you post after BF call that VR could be a Trojan Horse?
That's a good question. Many people have a lot of reservations about VR, his Paul Soros Fellowship, his Big Pharma history, his rigged election complicity, him paying to scrub Wiki of parts of his bio that are troubling to GOP primary voters, a whole lot of flags around him. Could he have had an epiphany on the Road to Damascus? Only he knows. Though he had a MSM interview after the Faux debate in WI where he mocked Trump and election integrity issues.
I posted it aware of these issues I raise, and having seen the Chinese spy video in early 2020 I remembered the section where the spy acknowledged that the CCP had Manchurian candidates on both sides of a national leadership election, one candidate pointing at the other saying the other was a CCP sympathizer, while the candidate making an issue of it was actually a Manchurian candidate himself. Heads CCP wins, tails CCP wins. The one making an issue was very versant in patriotism for his country, could speak the language of a China detractor.
Like many elected as conservatives we've learned in the past three years are Patriot Whisperers, trained in the language and symbolism of MAGA, able to articulate the values of Patriots in order to disarm them and be seen as one of them. Like the Clinton's and Obama's changing their accents for southern and audiences vs northern and and academic audiences. But more sophisticated, more than just an accent.
Video shared to alert others about this technique of ingratiating candidates to voters that is tried and truly effective for those who don't dig deeper, get seduced by all the right words and passions. While Road to Damascus conversions do happen, they're rare. And we ought to judge people by the company they keep and the bodies of work that their lives are. Whether or not VR is a Trojan Horse I can't say. But I believe he deserves a great deal of skepticism and scrutiny, hard questions. A newcomer who comes along singing a song with all the perfect notes is just too neatly wrapped a gift. We should stare this gift horse in the face. To see if it is a Trojan one or not.
Thanks Fox, you raise great and salient points. We don’t know all about VR, and for that I appreciate Jordan (and other critical thinkers here) shining light so we can debate & question. I don’t see many other media sources putting critical lens on VR but I’m also time pressed to look around too deeply and have become skeptical of most (all) MSM sources. They all have a specific bias. I know alternative sources exist, I just hope here w/ Jordan, I’ve found one that is honest, and not a Trojan Horse front for another candidate.
One thing I do like about VR is that he talks about truths I do not see other candidates speak of. At the last debate in particular he highlighted fatherlessness as a root cause of many (most?) societal ills. That resonated with me. Is that something too tightly wrapped as a gift, if our fellow Americans have never heard that ‘gift’ from a politician? He also talked about energy policy the same way Trump would.
I can’t recall in my lifetime hearing this (fatherlessness = societal downfall) from the stump— but perhaps in my younger years I wasn’t listening well enough. To me that is supreme Truth, and needs repeating
Agreed. He's bringing up issues that should be discussed in a GOP debate and campaign. Unlike every single other candidate on the stage and in the media. Talking about nothing that the overwhelming majority of Republicans care about. So hat tip to him. And, I'm pleased to have had his voice on the stage that no real R's watched.
Faux News viewership now is the CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS viewer pre-2021. The "centrist" D's and U's who are alienated from their party but can't stomach Trump. Faux is the corporatist Rino's and homeless classic liberals go-to channel today. Not GOP primary voters pre-2021.
VR's voice to them is one they need to hear, but they'll dismiss him because they aren't ready to hear it. Yet.
Freedom, what’s your thoughts on impact of the Trump mugshot? Do you think it will fade away, or can Trump basically campaign on this as a martyr? You may have seen this montage online. I wonder if this could have legs, and bring in more minority votes who see common cause. It’s all so unprecedented. I’m an optimist by nature so I could be biased that this could help bring some not insignificant portion of races together, behind Trump. If it did that would delight me to no end
https://youtu.be/93p6YVpMGtk?si=FeBR9lKU6pmOk8rQ
I believe it helps him. I'd like to be optimistic, too. But I worked in and around elections enough in thirty years, first as a volunteer, then as a paid professional. I know how elections look, what election workers do, how results are tabulated, monitored, reported, etc. And I know whatever was left of fair election systems was obliterated in 2020 and again in 2022 in key contests.
I was a part of the election reform hearings in my state that brought machines into use following the 2000 'Hanging Chads' election, and none of the election safety and integrity protocols are followed now, even trying to perform election accountability as the laws said must be done is deemed a criminal act now. So my faith in the 2024 results being how voters truly vote is very low.
Elections *are* rigged. And not just against Trump. They have been for a longer time than most, including me having been around and in them would like to admit. Narrative. That's what declared election results are predicated on. If it's *plausible* for the losing candidate to win who's favored by the System Lords then that losing candidate will be declared the winner. Plausibility. That's all they are after.
If Trump or any MAGA is going to win in this New World Order election environment they will have to win so convincingly with so many more voters choosing them than their opponent that false results won't pass the plausibility test. Where everyone you know, strangers on the street, in the stores, pretty much everyone you see - absent a small minority, say 30% or under - voted for Trump/MAGA and speaks their truth to it so the rigged results aren't in any way plausible.
That's the only way to win against a system that is so horribly rigged. No 'silent' Trump voters. Silence allows the theft of our votes to happen. Others don't see the true numbers of supporters and go along with the news reports declaring the loser the winner, Because it will sound plausible without the roar of Trump/MAGA voters being heard over the media talking heads outside the voting booth...which is rigged.
Bringing along the minority vote is huge for this. Will need them to get to 70% majority for Trump/MAGA. Just to hazard an educated guess I'd say Trump really got about 54% in 2020, a solid win, more than Clinton or Obama ever got. But not enough to overcome the rigging. With the minority vote he gets over 60%, maybe 65%, gotta scrounge for the rest to get to 70%. Can it be done? Tough. That's going to be tough. Unheard of in US history. But, that optimism thing, huh?
I’m not defending Vivek. I’m not going to vote for him. But every sector of our economy has ties to China. Ties which were encouraged, until the Trump era, from the top down. Ties which are still there in most cases. Ties which should be broken. I will say that smart people learn from their experience and change their minds. Dumb people do not. Is Vivek a closet CCP-phile. No idea. But he might simply have realized that he no longer wants to do business with them. Everybody will make up their own mind on that one. The article is useful information. Thanks.
He did a Chinese joint venture, yawn. It’s the largest effing single market in the world, and that really matters in the drug market, it’s a global market w a global supply chain. To whine about this is to admit you are unsophisticated rube, to write a screed of nonsense about it is to admit you are a hack, so better, this is the kind of smear job I expect from the Left.
But....he is correct NOW. So who cares. Throw the first stone.....something in the Bible about all this.
We need someone with his thinking....NOW.
Jordan -- what do you suggest?? An eagle scout? Do you have someone in mind, so we can pick him apart.
This information needs more exposure.