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Locke's Conscience's avatar

Anyone who supports data centers has never lived around data centers...

Freedom Fox's avatar

THIS is what good-faith objections to AI Data Centers are for. That Jordan and AI Data Center proponents try to broad-brush smear with "Shanghai Billionaire Behind America's Anti-Data Center Movement." If those of us opposed to them end up having Marxist commies in our midst then so be it. We've ended up having Fascists in our midst opposing what Commies were doing. We don't get to choose our friends sometimes. Remember, no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, only permanent issues. Like not being under AI command and control 24/7 surveillance systems that enforce edicts of tyrants with CBDC/Social Credit algorithm systems that monitor every physical square inch of the world and every idea and thought we'll ever have in our minds. That whole CISA declaration that the "cognitive infrastructure" of the nation is a national security concern. My, your thoughts, the essence of our beings that make us who we are, a national security concern according the national security declarations made for this nation.

https://uncoverdc.com/2022/12/15/jen-easterly-shaping-cognitive-infrastructure/

Which is the primary purpose of AI Data Centers. Full stop.:

Omnipresent AI cameras will ensure good behavior, says Larry Ellison

“We’re going to have supervision,” says billionaire Oracle co-founder Ellison.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnipresent-ai-cameras-will-ensure-good-behavior-says-larry-ellison/

FF - We know it's a multi-billion dollar investment effort to integrate AI cameras with all data that's in ALL databases, everywhere. Even your FitBit and Alexa, your car's active listening, eye detection. Gym membership. Library. Social Media. Internet surfing. Grocery purchases. Phone calls between family and friends. Ring cameras. All databases, integrated. Worldwide Social Credit Industry. Public-private partnerships, government-corporate. Not conspiracy. Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway's BusinessWire says so:

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211223005270/en/Worldwide-Social-Credit-Industry---Infrastructure-to-Support-Social-Credit-Systems-Represents-a-%2416.1-Billion-Opportunity-by-2026---ResearchAndMarkets.com

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"The COVID-19 pandemic has facilitated substantial interest in citizen monitoring solutions

--Infrastructure to support social credit systems represents a $16.1B global opportunity by 2026

--Cameras and other optical equipment for social credit systems will reach $723M globally by 2026

--Advanced computing will be used in conjunction with AI to provide nearly flawless identification and tracking

--Social credit systems represent the ability to identify (mostly people but also some "things") and track activities for purposes of grading behaviors and applying "social credit" scoring. A given grading/scoring methodology depends largely on social credit system objectives and metrics.

However, most systems will have socially acceptable behaviour at their core. This presents both a challenge and an opportunity as a combination of government, companies, and society as a whole must determine "good", "bad", and "marginal" behavior within the social credit market.

Beginning as a trend largely orthogonal to public safety and homeland security concerns, the market for social credit system infrastructure will ultimately become a mainstream component of both business and public policy."

FF - Have you heard of GigaPan AI Imaging? Interactive high-density gigapixel imaging technology. Consumer-facing, not military-industrial level sophistication. But still high-tech:

https://today.williams.edu/stories/gigapan-big-tech-meets-tiny-view/

This image is the largest gigapixel image you'll find on GigaPan's website:

Suria, Barcelona, Spain, 99.13 gigapixels, April 20, 2013

https://gigapan.com/gigapans/129541

FF - Notice that date. Thirteen years ago. The earliest images on the website go back to 2011. This is 15-year-old imaging technology. In 2011 Apple released its iPhone 4S to much fanfare. Today's iPhone 17 ProMax is the latest technology. Difference in technological performance is exponential. Same has happened in digital imaging. And, remember, this is consumer-facing. Military/Intelligence/LEO-facing is even more advanced.

For kicks and grins I took that GigaPan image from Barcelona in 2013 and zoomed in on some balconies far off in the distance to see what could be seen. Here's a montage of what is viewable on consumer-facing digital imaging cameras using 15yo technology. I zoomed and screenshot to show where this particular balcony I found is on the image:

https://i.imgflip.com/aphu18.jpg

Here's GigaPan's picture of a pot legalization rally in Denver (1.47 gigapixels):

https://gigapan.com/gigapans/128066

Here's GigaPan picture of Colorado Rockies game at Coors Field (0.15 gigapixels):

https://gigapan.com/gigapans/127277

GigaPan picture of Brooklyn from Grand Street in Manhattan (4.39 gigapixels):

https://gigapan.com/gigapans/28033

(I just scrolled down to very bottom left of it, look for the yellow taxi on the road, there's a small black compact car with its sunroof open behind a burgundy SUV with NY license plate that begins with "DNN" - notice the family inside the car laughing it up, and the street surveillance camera just over them. They probably would notice the overhead camera, not the camera taking their picture from across the East River.)

Pair those images (with fifteen years more advanced digital imaging technology) with AI facial recognition software. Here's the consumer versions of AI facial recognition software available. Doxxers use these tools. Military/Intelligence/LEO-grade versions are much more sophisticated, not available to consumers:

https://www.guru99.com/face-recognition-search-engines.html

Combine the camera technology, the AI facial recognition technology with the Worldwide Social Credit System being developed to "make sure we behave" and it's all there, right now, available to the public-private government/corporate authorities/leaders. But it's missing one big, one very big component to being the dystopian threat to humanity that many of us are uncomfortable with. And that's the ability to capture and crunch ALL that data from ALL those databases with ALL the digital images (and audioprints) to be an ever-present dystopian surveillance threat the alarmists are sounding the alarm over. And that is: AI Data Centers.

AI Data Centers have been deemed so important to our existence to warrant the new construction of and recommissioning of nuclear power plants. Once deemed existential threats to humanity themselves. So important that Bill Gates has come out saying Climate Change fears are overblown, disproportionate to the threat. Think AI Data Centers are that important just to make sure that Amazon and Walmart can better predict their Just-in-Time inventory systems, make them more efficient? Or to let grandma have a digital chat friend after losing grandpa?

Or...AI Data Centers are the necessary component of making all of the data that exists in all of the databases around the nation/world, including digital images like Ring Cameras or Beach/Ski cameras showing conditions (and who is at the beach or skiing) into patterns available for real-time analysis and tracking. AI Data Centers are the necessary component of a Minority Report 24/7 dystopian surveillance state with "Pre-Crime" units authorized to 'police' actions and even thoughts just like in the movie. And this is who is developing the AI Data Center systems and technology. And protocols. And saying what "crimes" are. Not your values, are they?:

https://truthsocial.com/@libsoftiktok/posts/116422117291531774

Go ahead, Jordan, try to demonize and malign the intentions of opponents with "Shanghai Billionaire" dupe characterizations. That just exposes you as the fool or shill for the planned 24/7 totalitarian police state that you are. I swear your time off of Substack was time searching for your best retirement plan option. Selling out the freedom supporters who bonded with you during your plandemic musings.

Because this coming for the world via AI Data Centers. Unless we as free, sovereign human beings refuse to give it our consent. En masse. And at this point I don't care if a Shanghai Billionaire is bringing in the mass bodies who refuse. We'll rise up and oppose them when (not if) they try to pivot and become the totalitarians in control themselves.

The writing is on the wall. Our moment is fleeting. If we do not act today, pressure those in power to protect our privacy and our freedoms as being non-negotiable we will rue the future, the lost opportunity we have been called upon to take. It's not just about us. Are we the generation that loses human dignity, freedom? Remember, it's not about us, it's about them:

https://needtoknow.news/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/You-need-to-be-in-the-way-meme-1.jpg

Greg's avatar

I’ve actually lived in industrial parks, including ones with significant power generation, and I support data centers. I don’t expect everyone to feel the same way, but I also don’t think your assertion is categorically true.

Locke's Conscience's avatar

Apples to oranges argument. So you haven't lived near a data center.

Greg's avatar
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Apples and oranges? So you say. I’ve lived in a 24/7 industrial park. Perhaps you have lived next to a data center and can enlighten me to the differences.

NeverForget1776's avatar

IMPORTANT NOTE: While this wealthy guy in China is helping funds these protests that doesn't mean everything being said or all there are a part of it. There are people having their land/home taken via eminent domain to enable these data centers. Kevin O'Leary's data center project didn't speak with the towns people to get approval but that of just 3 board commissioners and who's to say they weren't incentivized to say yes? Yes these were elected board members but al in Congress are elected and I hope none here including Jordan would argue that means its all on the up and up and that there's no corruption going on.

Back in its day, the Italian Mafia often organized schemes to combat or counter efforts by The FBI. Just because they did this that doesn't mean the FBI never did anything unethical or even illegal.

The point is that just because there is some well funded protests being done over these data centers that doesn't mean the creation of these things are all on the up and up and that there is nothing illegal or corrupt going on to make these data centers a thing.

Joe Markovic's avatar

Not only are we going to fund our surveillance, but the temperature rises, the water levels lower and quality is ruined. Also the necessary power to run them far surpasses the amount of power the citizenry have available to them. No i am not pro CCP. And I’m sure not a socialist. I just do a lot of research

JDawg99's avatar

Who in their right mind would trust the government, big tech, big banks and the others pushing this RUSH to build these prison walls? Watch “the Hunger Games” movie and learn what they’re really up to.

I DO NOT CONSENT's avatar

“Something curious is happening”. Yea, you could say that, but not in defense of your ‘musings’. So you fear community objectors do you? You fear those speaking up for their communities? You probably want to label all of them leftist environmental extremists, yet that doesn’t quite jive like it does with the ‘no oil’ movement, does it? Why? Because this isn’t about limiting energy abundance, something’s off with how the whole thing is shaping up and it’s not ‘business as usual’. You reference a ‘conspiratorial’ monied ex-pat funding protests from overseas, and you ‘Soros-ize’ things up to employ some anti-American psychology as your protein. Regardless, absolutely nothing to fear with the supernova-like mass expansion of the AI Data Centers…. the stealth and speed of construction, lack of public consultation, ‘locked/loaded’ eminent domain, elitist town hall ‘cold shoulders’, and frenzied over-consumption of precious human resources labeled ‘scarce’, ‘fragile’ and ‘dangerously finite’ for decades. Zero red flags, I’d say. Let’s ‘out-China’ China on their digital AI control grid, and call it gravy. The conscientious objectors are the “communists”. Isn’t that how true communists work, by calling the opposition the ‘communists’? Well, here we have techno-communism, sponsored by government, big tech and big finance. Still gravy? The whole thing wrapped up as some paper-thin ‘capitalist race’ with the communist’s wet dream, China? Could indeed be a race but likely a race to Agenda 2030, rather than some vague, pseudo-capitalist rivalry. But let’s still tell ourselves it’s just healthy ‘capitalism’ and allude to the fact that it’s simply unpatriotic to not support. By the way, the Flock cameras are going up just as quickly as the AI data centers, but it’s all for our safety and own good, right? Why should we object if we have nothing to hide, right? This is how it always goes when we are at the losing end of personal privacy and constitutional rights. It’s tested and true and the signs are unmistakable. So don’t go thinking your pseudo-‘capitalist’ runaround is the cream pie you think it is.

Joni's avatar

Jordan, its sickening you are spreading lies put out by The Bitcoin Institute about Americans who are trying to protect their communities, natural resources, water, utilities, etc. Our state is already number 5 in the U.S. and you think Americans should just accept the destruction of our homes, farms and communities! You know nothing and are spreading rumors! Thankfully everyone is sharing those of you spreading these lies to harm innocent Americans! Shame on you! So go ask for one to be built next to your home!

NeverForget1776's avatar

I don't believe these are lies as more than 1 thing can be true at the same time so long as they aren't in conflict with each other. Its possible that there is some questionable actions being executed to make these data centers happen and that a wealth pro-collectivist type in China is also funding protests against them.

The people to suspect are any who are claiming it either all one way or the other with no room for a mix of the 2.

Joni's avatar

I am aware of the CCP billionaire and his antics, but did you see The Bitcoin Institutes charting saying all the Local opposition is based on this influence and the liberals! That's a bold face lie! Shame on anyone spreading these lies to harm innocent Americans trying to protect their homes! None of these crazies will influence true American patriots standing up for our homes and communities! Our state and local governments are violating Open Meetings and Public Records requirements! Of course people are upset!

Crixcyon's avatar

I am supposed to believe that data centers, which are really surveillance and personal data collection centers, are a supreme innovation? For the benefit of who and how? Citizens have no say in any of this hi-tech terrorism. Therefore, I firmly opt out.

Give me the opportunity to reject the collection and storage of my personal data and give me a method to check to see that my data is not part of a data center, then you can build all of these suckers you want. Until then, these surveillance centers can go to the devil and take A/i retardism with them.

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Oxymoron: journalist-asking tough questions

Marilynne Martin's avatar

"In the view of both U.S. and Chinese policymakers, this buildout will help determine which superpower wins the next decade. The Chinese government has made AI dominance an explicit national priority. "

As I consider AI to equate to Big Brother - please Lord let the Chinese win this so called race.

Are you upset that the Chinese have a social credit rating system before us? I'm not and quite frankly don't feel what the Chinese do with data centers and AI have anything to do with what happens here in the US. This so-called race is propaganda.

Taking homes to build data centers is criminal.

Amy Loftus's avatar

No one in this country, patriot, commie, whoever- wants to listen to the sound of a loud train 24/7 and never see stars.

Greg's avatar

I don’t disagree, but we’ve had such industrial enterprises in this country for more than 100 years. None of this is new.

Amy Loftus's avatar

Mmmmm, I have been around since the 70s and have never seen a giant, glowing, loudly humming monstrosity heating up the atmosphere in a town or someone's backyard. It's new. https://opengridworks.com/power-plants?bubbleScale=0.65&layers=tx%2Cdatacenters%2Chpoints%2CrowTx%2CrowSubs&panel=closed

Greg's avatar
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Actually, in the 90s, I lived right next door to a power plant generating electricity from recyclables, 24/7. It was running all the time with noise and light. Ever live near a steel plant, a car factory, etc.,? This is not new.

Amy Loftus's avatar

I don’t think 595 more plants just like it were going up within a matter of months while you lived near it. That’s the current number of planned data centers for Virginia alone.

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I DO NOT CONSENT's avatar

This isn’t ‘business as usual’. It doesn’t look like ‘business as usual’ and it isn’t acting like ‘business as usual’.

Richard's avatar

Lots of NIMBYs too. In many cases, conservative NIMBYs. I see it in my town. Making the data centers recycle water and having them off the grid will make much of this go away.

Rich's avatar

Read the lyrics from Rush 2112 side 1. They tell of a central computer controlling us

Rich's avatar

They are not 'data centers' they are surveillance centers. AI is NOT good for us. AI is the beast system and will digitally enslave us all.. Add that to all the water thet will talk from us and we will be under food Enslavement.

Wake the F up

Granny62's avatar

Tricky move, Jordan. In one fell swoop you delegitimize the opinions of the People by blaming some anonymous manipulative machine.

It couldn’t POSSIBLY be that the entire process of planning excluded the very people it will affect and only now, as the implementation phase begins, are they being made aware and are resisting.

Surely it couldn’t be critical thinking among the citizenry of self-governing nation asserting their rightful position in our Republic.

The Accidental Hoosier's avatar

Water, power, and noise are all easily solvable problems with today's technologies. Singham is a slimeball, but data center owners would help their case considerably by (1) requiring closed-loop cooling systems at all times (not just during periods of "free" cooling when the outside air temperature is favorable) and (2) self generating power with real grid power (not intermittent wind/solar) and (3) using sound attenuation in mechanical equipment and around sites (aka, sound walls). All of these technologies exist and are readily available.

Alas, they seem to want to build them as cheaply as possible, meaning maximum water usage (by using direct evaporative cooling instead of chilled water), grid power with generation solely for backup, and little if any noise mitigation. And they will always find a place: Smith County may deny their permit, but Jo0nes County will welcome them.

Meta, AWS, Google, etc. certainly have the funds to build them smarter, but they refuse. So in that sense, they reap what they sow.

Karen Bracken's avatar

Sorry but once in his leftist life he is doing something right. He is not stopping American innovation. He is stopping the Chinese social credit system from coming to America.