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SimulationCommander's avatar

"Why should the country keep recognizing the fraudulent credentials of the likes of ABC’s David Muir, Linsey Davis, and their hyper-partisan colleagues? Why must we continue to pretend that these are thoughtful people?

What is the true value of a Muir or Davis on a platform like Substack? What have they achieved through merit? On an open market, how many people would subscribe to read their work and watch their dutiful, monotonous advancement of the Current Thing?"

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I make this comment all the time. The individual value of a MSM reporter is roughly zero because there's a million hacks waiting to take their place reading the talking points. Here on Substack, you actually have to add value for your readers, not the Blob.

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NeverForget1776's avatar

And on Substack you have teh chance to directly interact with your readers. MSM just ignores the people because over time it has become not only a dinosaur but an arrogant one at that. Then again that has been the way of each major revolution in media from the Church controlling it all (b.c. few could read) to age of print followed by radio and then Broadcast TV finally ending with the interconnected world of the internet. As each grew and prospered it became arrogant and finally lost out to the next wave in information technology. The different this time it's the individuals who get a say and they are not subservient to the wealth class who up thru Broadcast TV were able to consolidate and control the information. It is why they are now making a mad rush to implement censorship directly since they can no longer do it indirectly, covertly.

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Justin's avatar

I have a bumper sticker that says "Is that what your TV told you to think? @"

The "@" is a swirly hypnosis sign.

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NeverForget1776's avatar

Nice 🤣

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Butternut Saskatoon's avatar

I NEED one of those!!! :)

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Bandit's avatar

🙌 Amen! That's a bumper sticker my car would love!

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Exactly! As you know, that interaction is an important part of the 'job'. I don't want to just write 1500 words and leave it - I want to discuss it with the readers and clarify things that I didn't articulate clearly. In the end, you can agree with me or disagree with me, but you'll know exactly where I'm coming from.

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NeverForget1776's avatar

Independent and interactive; two things tyrants trying to control information do not like at all. Not only was he a fresh breath to the political right, but when Rush Limbaugh did his radio show his taking calls and interacting with the listeners was a IMHO, a huge boost to his success. People were able to praise and vent alike. It's one thing to prepare good propaganda it's another to try and defend it on the spot when you don't know in advance what is going to be asked. With print and Broadcast TV it was relatively easy to control basically everything. Unless you were a world traveler your perspective really was what you were fed by what you got from print & TV. Podcasts, non regulated social; media and spaces like Substack make controlling narratives impossible as was demonstrated with how covid just failed to perform. Had that happened say in the 90's or earlier we all would have believed whatever was told to us on TV. Few back then thought to question the "trusted News Sources".

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Phil Davis's avatar

Not to be CONFUSED with yours truly. 😁😁😂😂

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NeverForget1776's avatar

Somebody's gong to have to let me in on the joke. Humor can go right over my head as I am not a very tall man.

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NeverForget1776's avatar

YEAH BOOOOY! 28 LIKES on a post on another persons substack!

WOOT! WOOT!

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SimulationCommander's avatar

LOL I was a comment junkie long before I was a 'Stacker!

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

In other parts of the world they are called news readers. That’s all they are. News liars may be closer to the truth today.

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Amen. Last night was not a debate. It was David Muir and Lindsey Davis attacking Donald J Trump. Camela 🐪 joyfully presided over their attacks while she spewed out lie after lie.

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Bandit's avatar

Yep....and never fact checked.

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NeverForget1776's avatar

It's Kamil toe and not.... well you know

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Bandit's avatar

🐫 🥾<---

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NeverForget1776's avatar

The Republican Party is going along with theses debates because it is just as captured as the Democrat party. The majority if not all of the leadership in both parties form the unrecognized uniparty, that 3rd group that works not for the voters but the must powerful/influential campaign donors. You got good/honest people in both parties like Rand Paul (just to name one of several) on the Right and Bernie Sanders on the Left. I know Sander's is more of a go-along these days but when he was running, and though I was completely against his ideas, at least the man was doing what he believed in and not what he was effectively being paid to day. With Paul's exposure of Fauci you know he's not ion on teh take, the uniparty and if Sanders was a part of it he either would not have been railroaded by his own party as he was in 2016 or run at all.

The only reasonable answer to all of teh lunacy and idiocy from what both parties do and have done is to recognize it's because a subset of them are working for others and not the voters. Rep Thomas Massie has been on podcasts talking about what it's like in DC when you're not a team player. Team player is political speak for you are either in on the take like the rest of us (have your hand dirty) or you never ever get in teh way or else. The largest organized crime syndicate is not the mafia but our own Federal Government.

Don't be fooled by the ones supporting Trump. Like before many are there to be a roadblock to his efforts and some are just opportunists. That's not to say none truly support him just that it won't be the ones that have been there along time and who have been in leadership controlling things until Trump came along.

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Diana's avatar

And this is why Kennedy shouldn't have dropped out of the race.

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NeverForget1776's avatar

With the way they (Dems) screwed him over, what RFK did was really his best chance at getting into the system and doing something from within. Even if the corrupt in the Republican party stonewall and roadblock Trump they are going to have a very hard time doing teh same with RFK.

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Diana's avatar

We'll see. After a year of volunteering with the campaign it still feels like a gut punch.

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NeverForget1776's avatar

I can understand someone feeling that way. I've been ticked off by Republican Party movements in teh past. After watching a few cycles of all promises and no delivery I then realized both were corrupt sell-outs. It wasn't until the age of social media and peoples being able to connect that I found out that it was more than just "conspiracy theorists" questioning if those in power were working for wealthy special interests.

That said if RFK gets in and just gets 1 thing done like exposing corruption in the pharmaceutical industry or in #BigFood would that be enough to wash away the frustration? I worked to get Ron Paul elected but the Republican Party ;leadership did to good a job of keeping him form having a chance to even be teh nominee. Had he made it they all knew teh Federal Reserve would be exposed and the control of our money by private bankers as over; a modern day Andrew Jackson.

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

kaboom NeverForget, excellent words

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NeverForget1776's avatar

Thanks Doc

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Bandit's avatar

Yes!

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Phil Davis's avatar

One other thought on the media and many of their psychopath minions that is important to understand is this: These legacy media organizations and their people are part of the deep state. The deep state is not just made of government organizations and people; it is a web of state and non-state actors who work together to affirm and further control the populace.

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TheMover's avatar

Exactly. And what is called a 'debate' is merely a show to the fact that the unacceptable Prssident-Eject has been defeated by the joyful President-Select.

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NeverForget1776's avatar

#OperationMockingbird

it's not a Conspiracy Theory

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zuFpM5*M's avatar

The debate accomplished its purpose: it steered the American public away from any issue of importance. When will a politician explain why the US is still in NATO? Let alone a rational discussion of how our relationship with Ukraine benefits the interests of American citizens?

Will we ever be allowed to see a debate on whether vaccines do anything but harm? Might we discuss US gov funding for migrant camps? Does anyone even care that nothing was ever done to curtail warrantless spying?

Maybe we could talk about why DC politicians no longer seem to think taxation relevant? Have we moved on fully to MMT? Is that not one of the primary sources of inflation? Shouldn't masses of low wage immigration be lowering production costs? Doesn't that mean inflation is massively understated?

I could go on and on. I think many high school students could discuss issues relevant to our nation more coherently than what we witnessed last night. It doesn't bode well for our future no matter who 'wins' the 'election.'

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JustPlainBill's avatar

Very true. They each had a horse to flog that they thought would hurt the other. With Harris it was abortion, with Trump it was immigration. Both strayed heavily from the facts on both the issue and their opponent's position.

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zuFpM5*M's avatar

Yes, it was sad to see Trump just attacking a poll tested target issue like a traditional politician. On the other hand it was funny to see Kamala running as a republican with respect to her policy positions. I wonder what her democrat supporters think about her boosting herself by mentioning support and association with the likes of Mitt Romney, Dick Cheney, and John McCain, etc.?

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NeverForget1776's avatar

We stay in NATO so we can help control it but that only works when there isn't an establishment puppet in the whitehouse. What Trump should do is force to dissolve NATO and then stick with teh UN and force all them losers to pay their share.

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zuFpM5*M's avatar

I disagree. The reason NATO still exists is to help Washington DC drag the US people into conflicts that we have no reason to be a part of.

Do you perhaps remember the multinational invasion of Iraq? That was a US invasion of Iraq in which we dragged along a bunch of random countries by literally bribing them.

Do you know what almost all of the troops contributed by those countries did? Sat around on the large base in Baghdad contributing legitimacy to the invasion (i.e. they did nothing but eat and sleep.) I personally saw these detachments and spoke to soldiers in them.

That is precisely the reason we have NATO. It contributes legitimacy to our globalist wars. The leaders of our country want and need these wars to help their defense industry allies and advance globalist objectives, but, without excuses like "defending Europe from Putin," they'd have to cook up more fake terror or other fake threats in order to persuade Americans to support their wars.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Toss your TV.

Thank me later.

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Renee Marie's avatar

I tossed the television over 20 years ago!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Our lives are so much more peaceful.

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NeverForget1776's avatar

I have to disagree. My TV is the perfect device for my gaming console and streaming movies/shows from a hard drive. Granted I use it for nothing else.

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Diana's avatar

There are still some good British shows on PBS.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Yes, I watch them on my laptop.

New season of Van der Walk starts this Sunday.

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MarianneK's avatar

Tossed mine in 1989.

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Deborah Gregson's avatar

You have to know your enemy and what they are saying. Only knowing the people you agree with doesn't allow you to understand what you're fighting against. TVs are valuable sources of information.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I disagree.

After being TV free for over 14 years, when I am exposed to television, say in the waiting room of a doctor's office, I feel a weird sort of reaction. Totally offended by the horrible commercials that are running, especially the ones for drugs that have about a million side effects. Being exposed to it is some kind of government mind control. I feel my equilibrium is off and only find relief when I am back in my car and having some piece and quiet.

MSM is evil and deadly. After the covid military and government psyops that occurred, I have no desire to torture myself in front of a soulless and mindless black box.

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Davi7's avatar

Yes, the advertising is now dominated by pharmaceutical ads, always showing animated and happy people having fun doing recreational things (while rapid-firing disclaimer after disclaimer at low volume).

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Davi7's avatar

I agree, but I must say that when trying to watch 'news reporting' on any of the corporate media outlets, by the fourth or fifth minute I am ready to put a 9mm round through the flat screen. Then, when I flip over to Fox, where at least an effort is made at neutrality/balance (except for a few of their pundits), much of their time is spent showing clips of what the corporate media have been saying, so I cannot even get away from the exposure to leftist propaganda there!

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Dr. Paul Alexander's avatar

boom

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ConradB_TX's avatar

Last night was painful to watch. Harris continually tried to needle Trump - to get him to lose his cool and get off track. Trump is more of a brawler than a debater and it was a 3 to 1 fight. It was all planned to keep him on the defensive. Harris lied continually (intentionally goading Trump - even to the point of bring up the Central Park 5). Too bad he didn't bring up her relationship with Willie Brown in response concerning past history. All in all, it was a sham of a debate.

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Deborah Gregson's avatar

Trump's weakness is that he is ADHD and gets off topic easily after about 15 minutes. He can't stick to the point because so much is running around in his head, and can't come back with quick responses. While talking about abortion he didn't clearly respond that there's no such thing as abortion AFTER birth because the word doesn't apply. Additionally, in some cases after birth an infant's critical medical situation is discussed with the parents and they may decide to not give extraordinary life saving treatment like intubation, tube feeding, etc. just as they wouldn't if it was an elderly person who was dying. That's not "abortion", but "death with dignity".

During the same discussion Harris also said women should have "...the freedom to make decisions about one's own body, should not be made by the government," and I would have appreciated him responding that, "Everyone should have that freedom, including all medical treatments, which would mean no vaccine or mask mandates, regardless."

Trump should have never gotten into the whole discussion about abortion with her. He should have said that IF the question of Roe came up again because of Congress he would look at the clarity of the Bill and decide then about signing it. He doesn't realize how dangerous his and the GOP's opinion of that issue is. (Frankly, they can't say "no" to vaccines and "no" to abortions. They must say NO to government interference with medical treatment.)

This is when Trump's ADHD took off, he began talking about the pets being eaten, his rally numbers, all kinds of stuff that didn't address the question of immigrants he should have responded to because she hit a nerve when she was talking about him. She had been well trained and got him riled. He blew it. And he got crazy.

Trump isn't good talking about women, debating women, he doesn't like them and doesn't think they're intelligent or clever. Tulsi did a good job prepping him but she can't fix his weaknesses, his narcissistic arrogant attitude. After that it was all over.

When they talked about Jan. 6 he shouldn't have argued about the numbers, or about the veracity of her claims that he didn't win. He should have said he still believed there was fraud during the election process and just as H. Clinton, Stacy Abrams, and Gore, he felt he had won the election even though Congress verified another candidate. Nothing more. He has a right to his opinion. That shuts her off from the rest of the stuff she said insinuating he has a mental issue.

Well there's more. I wish others could get through to Trump and he'd grow mentally so he could do a better job. But I lived with a father like him and they don't change. It's unfortunate because I'll be voting for a person I really don't like at all, and didn't like the last time I voted for him. I hate that, and greatly dislike myself for it. I do it for my country only.

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Davi7's avatar

Yes, he is easily goaded, especially when the magnitude of his popularity and impact is questioned. He will still get my vote, as Harris and her party are aiming us toward a socialist state that will be more suppressive than the worst estimates. Yet I have always felt that Trump speaks at a level designed to appeal to eighth-graders. His undisciplined responses during the debate sounded sophomoric. There are many examples of politicians who are adept at roasting media punks, and I have fond memories of Kayleigh McInneny taking the WH 'press corps' to school with their shenanigans.

But it is what it is. Trump is who he is- fragile ego, yet a fierce fighter who does not quit.

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Diana's avatar

Even though my candidate of choice is now endorsing Trump, I cannot. I believe Trump speaks at a level designed to appeal to 8th graders because he himself is at the 8th grade level of maturity.

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FreedomFighter's avatar

I am not sure that GOP national party was involved. That said, that organization seems to have benefitted little under Trump's people. This was Trump's decision and he should have been aware of the probable bias from ABC. I imagine his ego told him that he could easily handle it, which he didn't. MSM is useless. It's too bad that CSPAN is now pretty well left wing. As things are, presidential debates are dated and a waste of time.

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NeverForget1776's avatar

Oh they were definately involved. They no more want Trump as their candidate them the Dems do but to keep their cover some of them have to at least look like as if they aren't a Dick like Cheeney. The leadership in both parties has been establishment owned and controlled for a long time.

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Davi7's avatar

Sure seems that way. Yet they did clear the path for Trump during the primaries- guess all those campaign donations were too good to pass up. A real conspiracy theorist may even consider they were in on the assassination attempt......

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Diana's avatar

That would be me!

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NeverForget1776's avatar

I have no doubt some are involved. The Uniparty in DC is going to be made up of crooks and sell-outs/traitors in both parties.

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Diana's avatar

Maybe I'm wrong, but I assumed from the debate that Harris was given the questions ahead of time and she was also possibly wearing earrings that doubled as earpieces, even though Newsweek and others are already saying that's a conspiracy theory.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/i-used-these-new-smart-earrings-to-listen-to-music-they-totally-surprised-me

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zuFpM5*M's avatar

I am almost certain that she was reciting a script from memory for nearly the entire time. The debate moderators got antsy when it seemed they were allowing Trump to speak in a way that might throw her off the script.

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NeverForget1776's avatar

You can bet the mortgage she had an ear piece being told what to say and I wouldn't at all be shocked if the moderators had one and they were all on a group chat to coordinate.

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Bandit's avatar

Yes, yes, yes.

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Ruth Gordon's avatar

Muir is like some character out of a dystopian, sci-fi novel who must spend long hours at home in the mirror practicing his "my God, this is the most serious cat video we've ever uncovered" face for hours. It would be an impossible task to determine who's less intelligent and less American: Lester Holt, David Muir or Norah O'Donnel. All of them are interchangeable with the women of The (obstructed) View.

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JD Free's avatar

Harris used Walz as a security blanket for her first interview and Muir for her second.

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Kevin Beck's avatar

The American Biden Channel was bagged by the Kamala campaign. I only watched the first hour; I was as sleepy as Joe after getting eating his lunch.

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Richard's avatar

I haven't watched one for decades. Besides the bias, they are content free. The only thing we learned is Harris isn't Trump which we already knew.

For the future, no media, just the candidates with a high school debate coach to keep time.

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Sheryl Kraft's avatar

Would have been good for Trump to have invited the moderators to a foursome table talk on the spot. The bias was indubitably obvious to the most casual observer.

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Phil's avatar

Bravo! Totally agree.

How is..."What do you think, Ms. Vice President?" a debate question???

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Jerry Waddell's avatar

Exactly! Very well said!

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