I'm having trouble convincing people why NZ is really a bad outcome, they don't care about the cost of its policy, even if it was to save 2400 mostly elderly and sick people from dying.
The money they would save by not becoming an isolated prison island would save many more if invested in health budgets.
But when the virus breaks loose in New Zealand, this will all have been clearly for nothing, and a big double failure.
At this point it will be safe to say New Zealand is the worst failure of them all.
One of the really devastating things which is happening to New Zealanders as a result of the government's policies is the separation of members of the Kiwi diaspora from their families back home. This is causing enormous distress, particularly when a family member falls ill or dies. Closing the borders has resulted in fewer and fewer flights coming and going from New Zealand, leading to difficulties coming or going from the country and very high fares. This combined with mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks (now having to be paid by those who the government incarcerates in managed isolation facilities) exacerbates the distress. The nationalistic fervour whipped up by the "Team of 5 Million" rhetoric has been incredibly divisive, with New Zealanders returning home being at the receiving end of downright nastiness by their fellow citizens. It's all a bloody nightmare.
yes, they avoided covid, the cost, the stress, the sickness, the deaths and the chaos. they may become somewhat poorer in some ways but if they are open internally they can go to school, open restaurants and have all kinds of national and internal work and business. when it's at 0 they don't have to wear masks. they can go back to work. they just need to be vigilent and let the experts ponder the situation.
the new zealanders can be self sufficient and if not they will become self sufficient which is not a bad thing. they generate electricity because they are more sustainably based then most countries and they can grow enough food for everyone. it doesn't seem like that guy who wrote the article above should worry so much about new zealand. they can weather the siege. he should be more concerned about his own home.
As at 11/8/20, just over 5 million cases in the US with just over 162,000 deaths. Where are you getting deaths of 500 per million. In New Zealand we have a pop of roughly 5 million, which means likely deaths may be around the same if everyone got it. That's the population of Hamilton, our 4th largest city. Are you willing for us to sacrifice that many lives, as well as the nonlethal but serious negative impacts such as lung and heart damage for hundreds of thousands more?
Scientists here, Israel, Germany, and elsewhere are saying that if we weren't told about this virus "we wouldn't have even noticed it". That is true, but try telling it to the people that watch TV and are susceptible to Jacindamania. They cannot understand how this could be true. They simply lack the intelligence unfortunately.
I am a lockdown-skeptic New Zealander and have read many articles like yours touting the Swedish strategy as successful. However in New Zealand Sweden's infection and mortality rates are being compared to those of Norway, Denmark and Finland, which you will be aware are substantially lower, to prove lockdown is the better strategy. I am aware that Norway has concluded they should not have locked down to the extent they did but are you able to give some explanation for why all three countries appear to have escaped so lightly vis a vis Sweden. Thank you.
At least there is less chance for China to infiltrate them with Spies the way they are infiltrating the US, Canada, Australia, the EU and the ROW. If they end up tanking the tourist industry for a while, the task is just to develop other industries. Tourism is very over-rated in that part of the world anyway. New Zealand has good universities, a well-educated workforce, adequate capital structure and could just invest assets in more high-tech industries.
A great read.
I'm having trouble convincing people why NZ is really a bad outcome, they don't care about the cost of its policy, even if it was to save 2400 mostly elderly and sick people from dying.
The money they would save by not becoming an isolated prison island would save many more if invested in health budgets.
But when the virus breaks loose in New Zealand, this will all have been clearly for nothing, and a big double failure.
At this point it will be safe to say New Zealand is the worst failure of them all.
They are hanging by a thread.
I wonder if they realise this as well.
One of the really devastating things which is happening to New Zealanders as a result of the government's policies is the separation of members of the Kiwi diaspora from their families back home. This is causing enormous distress, particularly when a family member falls ill or dies. Closing the borders has resulted in fewer and fewer flights coming and going from New Zealand, leading to difficulties coming or going from the country and very high fares. This combined with mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks (now having to be paid by those who the government incarcerates in managed isolation facilities) exacerbates the distress. The nationalistic fervour whipped up by the "Team of 5 Million" rhetoric has been incredibly divisive, with New Zealanders returning home being at the receiving end of downright nastiness by their fellow citizens. It's all a bloody nightmare.
This is what happens when emotion runs a country.
yes, they avoided covid, the cost, the stress, the sickness, the deaths and the chaos. they may become somewhat poorer in some ways but if they are open internally they can go to school, open restaurants and have all kinds of national and internal work and business. when it's at 0 they don't have to wear masks. they can go back to work. they just need to be vigilent and let the experts ponder the situation.
the new zealanders can be self sufficient and if not they will become self sufficient which is not a bad thing. they generate electricity because they are more sustainably based then most countries and they can grow enough food for everyone. it doesn't seem like that guy who wrote the article above should worry so much about new zealand. they can weather the siege. he should be more concerned about his own home.
I used to think the Brits were the most obnoxious, self absorbed, arrogant jerks of the English speaking world.
Then I visited New Zealand.
Really stupid. They are just putting off the inevitable. The whole world has lost their minds except Sweden.
Complete and utter insanity for nothing more than a strong dose of the seasonal flu.
It's too bad you Kiwis gave up your only real mode of self defense against the tyranny your government is raining down on you.
Good luck on what she decides is "Best for you" in the future.
As at 11/8/20, just over 5 million cases in the US with just over 162,000 deaths. Where are you getting deaths of 500 per million. In New Zealand we have a pop of roughly 5 million, which means likely deaths may be around the same if everyone got it. That's the population of Hamilton, our 4th largest city. Are you willing for us to sacrifice that many lives, as well as the nonlethal but serious negative impacts such as lung and heart damage for hundreds of thousands more?
Let it rip NZ. It'll all be over in a month and yas can start clawing back 10 years of lost value. Also do you do lynchings?
I'm in NZ.
It's very stupid (or evil) what they are doing.
Scientists here, Israel, Germany, and elsewhere are saying that if we weren't told about this virus "we wouldn't have even noticed it". That is true, but try telling it to the people that watch TV and are susceptible to Jacindamania. They cannot understand how this could be true. They simply lack the intelligence unfortunately.
I am a lockdown-skeptic New Zealander and have read many articles like yours touting the Swedish strategy as successful. However in New Zealand Sweden's infection and mortality rates are being compared to those of Norway, Denmark and Finland, which you will be aware are substantially lower, to prove lockdown is the better strategy. I am aware that Norway has concluded they should not have locked down to the extent they did but are you able to give some explanation for why all three countries appear to have escaped so lightly vis a vis Sweden. Thank you.
And when you need a new virus, Covid shows up, again!
No answer Jordan? I guess your silence says it all...
Hey Jordan, exactly what is your journalistic background?
And can you answer under your own name, instead of the aliases you use?
Slight syntax error in the last sentence [sry] but an excellent, no bullshit article.
At least there is less chance for China to infiltrate them with Spies the way they are infiltrating the US, Canada, Australia, the EU and the ROW. If they end up tanking the tourist industry for a while, the task is just to develop other industries. Tourism is very over-rated in that part of the world anyway. New Zealand has good universities, a well-educated workforce, adequate capital structure and could just invest assets in more high-tech industries.