Vast government conspiracies are easy to entertain, but often a product of poor reason and irrational thinking, fueled by an era of warranted distrust.
Well put. The folks trying to connect these dots HAVE been fun to watch: Both Army, both Fort Bragg, both OEF, both used Turo... etc. Kinda reminds me of the Lincoln/Kennedy connection. In case you forgot that one it starts like this: Both last names a have 7 letters...etc.
The one anomaly that I find curious with the Tesla suicide is this, "He shot himself then set off the explosives." Kinda makes you go, Hmmmmmm.
Yes, but... He loaded his Tesla with firecrackers, white gas and a timer then shot himself after pulling up the Valet so he could self-immolate without the burning sensation. Crazy people do crazy things.
Seems odd a green beret with years of experience uses fireworks and a gas can to make an explosion. Seems kinda pathetic effort, but maybe special forces aren't what they used to be
The man blew himself away and then blew himself up. Green beret. There’s something to this and to discount it may (or more probably) would be irresponsible at best. Let’s not be too quick to sweep this under the rug without knowing all the facts. That said, I’m quite sure we will never learn alllll the facts, much like the shooters that attempted to take the life of President Trump.
Or the last big event that happened in LV in 2017, where a concert killing spree seemed to cover up an attempted killing of a Saudi leader on an upper floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel. Helicopters filled with gunners, and people on the ground shooting away as well. Many vets watching recordings hearing well-known models of heavy guns being used. Not what was alleged to be from a man behind thick glass that from employees opinion would NOT have been possible to have been broken by a single man. (not to mention all kinds of people on the ground there NOT buying the gubmint story because their lying eyes told them a different story)
And the police chief at that event being suspiciously in charge at the site of the Lahaina fire on Maui, that was preceded by a VERY unusual pressure wave of wind being directed from the east towards Maui, or incredible oddities about what did or didn't burn there.
Yeah. Kinda like that.
I'm kinda coming to the conclusion that a "well-executed" plot is being pulled off by some puppet masters that put in place pieces and utilize people doing seemingly innocent things that all direct your eyes and ears away from a bigger plot.
Or that there are people in government who target agitated loners and help "push them" over the edge, so that their agitated loneliness looks to be cause, but a bigger purpose is in play to exercise greater govt. control by playing off the anticipated fear that follows such an event.
I find it increasingly implausible that the government is just taking advantage of an unexpected disaster, and am more believing that there's a bigger plot to take away our individual freedoms by whatever means necessary.
And yes, I believe that 9/11 was in inside job, and a planned demolition for a number of reasons. Because it's the most plausible of explanations, regardless of how much the govt tries to explain it away.
Yeah. I started doing even more thinking on this (yeah I know…crazy). The man allegedly planned this from Colorado. Wrote a manifesto. Got some fireworks, a gun, rented a Tesla “Cyber Truck”, drove to Vegas to park it in front of a Trump building and then… proceeded to kill himself and blow himself up, and yet didn’t attempt to create mass causalities or bring down the building. There was a message. Period. What that message was or is will probably be silenced overall and the c theories will persist bc the people never ever ever get all the messaging or answers.
Here, watch this.. just came out from the Sean Ryan show. The guy TRIED to get hold of anybody who would listen about some war crimes, stated he was being followed. I think he tried to keep them away by claiming he had a VBIED (Vehicle-based IED), and since the Cybertruck can be self-driven, he's an ops guy, and the DNA from the body doesn't match his kid with little damage to the hotel, it's possible he's still alive. He's DEFINITELY gotten the attention of the govt. and the army. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xglaXVtQcis
The Las Vegas massacre on Oct 1, 2017 went down the memory hole as quickly as it could be shoved there, including the suspicious deaths afterwards of several people who questioned the lone shooter story… the lack of curiosity from the east coast press was a major tell of a cover up. Our spooks are fighting a war and this latest LV event looks like a message to Trump/Musk.
After all the hoaxes we have just experienced the last few years I am glad people are not believing everything they are told anymore from the media.
What do you expect when the people have been manipulated and lied to for years? It seems the IC community likes confusion and fear at times. Thank god people are catching on.
Many issues have been politicized and people are sceptical now.
Look at what the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act legalized (signed under Obama), and you'll realize that we have just cause to be skeptical of anything the government and media attempt to manipulate us with.
I just listened to Tucker Carlson interview Bernard Hudson. He is a retired 28 yr veteran of the cia & sounds very similar to the intelligence services friends of yours. Very above board, never saw/aware of spying on members of Congress & failures were generally due to politics. Let’s agree that the majority of the CIA & other intelligence agencies are full of good well intentioned unsuspecting individuals doing their jobs. However, the underbelly of these organizations are as corrupt as the day is long & knowledge is intentionally very limited.
I also personally know someone who has worked within the agencies & the compartmentalization of information is of absurd & epic proportions. Within their specific department, where they were the experts in intelligence in a certain region, there was not a single person that could make a decision on an active situation because none of them had the compartmental authorization. They had to bring in someone several levels above to read it. This was a red flag. On another occasion in a heated meeting about an ongoing war zone an “employee” remarked that the NYT was not supposed to write what they did & were supposed to check with this agency before writing anything. Another red flag. These were 2 small examples observed in a short time. I think the employees either 1. have their heads buried in the sand; 2. think they’re doing important work so they overlook the wrong doings or sketchiness or 3. are on a power trip with the knowledge afforded them over the everyday American.
23+ years ago, The Patriot Act was to resolve the problem of Agencies not sharing information due to different Agencies had different proprietary systems; a robust communal system was to be created so that information can be shared in real-time.
It was a ruse in order to pass the bill and provide agencies an opportunity to obtain powers that were previously prohibited.
As an Intel community veteran, if I'm being honest with people, I tell them to think less James Bond and more Maxwell Smart.
Of course, if I want to impress them, I affect a cagey evasive manner and let their imaginations run wild. Whatever they're picturing is bound to be MUCH cooler than anything I actually did.
Yep. I used to dismiss these conspiracy theories out of hand but that is harder to do these days with what has happened over the last few years. I still tend to dismiss the grand theories on the principle that 3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead. But I don't think badly of people for advancing them now. Think back to all the things we found out from the Church Committee. We need a new version if we can find someone we trust.
I get it, but when the government hides and redacts(illegally) everything around every corner and issue; after the last 10 years I side with Sean Davis at the Federalist:
"Ready to have your minds blown? I know what’s going on with the drones, and I will share it with you. But I’m also to give you the secret to seeing through all the nonsense we’ve been peddled for 60+ years.
What I am about to reveal to you is the Rosetta Stone for interpreting every major news event. I will give you the secret to unlocking the mystery. One simple assumption will reveal everything. Are you ready?
“The U.S. government was behind it and is lying to you to cover it up.”
That’s it. That’s all you need to assume, and you will be correct. Think I’m crazy? That it couldn’t possibly be that simple? That it could never be that obvious? Let’s try it out and see how it works.
Who killed JFK? The U.S. government was behind it and is lying to you to cover it up.
How did the cartels manage to get so many drugs into and so much cash out of the U.S.? The U.S. government was behind it and is lying to you to cover it up...."
On and on.
I agree with the thesis that our highest level bureaucrats and their next three levels down are completely incompetent, therefore use force and lawfare to obfuscate their ineptness, but at some point you have to make every.single.thing. transparent so People know.
Remember, there is some statute they can use against you or just make them up as they have done with Trump and his friends. Can you afford it? I cannot. Nobody can. These are evil, incompetent vermin with the power of the federal government. And they need to be stopped. Now. Not by the use of violence.
This is ignorant analysis to the point of calling into question the agenda behind the writing. This pretends that the CIA isn't behind the largest global drug trafficking system ever seen, that our government does not leverage massive fraud in banking and global finance thru the Fed and a corrupt system of financial institutions, and that our government has not manifested inhumane campaigns of abusive mind control efforts to victimize thousands of human subjects who never consented. It also pretends that the lies from the USG just over the past 4 years are not some of the most outrageous and egregious betrayals of public trust in our lifetime. So yes, if we ignore these facts, then this analysis is well reasoned. If we keep these facts in view, then the realities are absolutely unthinkable in every way possible. I urge everyone to pay no heed to that ridiculous analysis.
I’m sorry but what I put in the “no way is that true” pile has now been put in the “maybe it’s true” pile, and that’s going to include possible hidden alien tech. The only thing in the “100% true” pile is that they have lied their asses off to us for decades and those lies have resulted in the harm and death of millions.
It’s funny the Tesla had parts that were burned and the body was burned beyond recognition but his plastic IDs were in pretty good condition. Kind of makes you wonder if somebody else’s body was in there and they use the self driving feature on the car. A man with his experience Would know that a Tesla wouldn’t blow up their bulletproof. So kind of makes you wonder if the man still alive and escaped to some unknown place.
Conspiracy theories often spring up because full, accurate info is withheld from the public. Increasingly, or at least it seems, government does not divulge all that it knows. Are the feds shielding us to protect us or are they just attempting to confuse us or cause fear? In some cases, they are incompetent and don't know the details. Why don't we know all the facts in the Trump attempted assassinations? What and why withholding info? Why was the "manifesto" of the Christian school trans killer withheld?
As to crazy people do crazy things, hardly conspiracy theory. Could it be that our wonderful government is doing illegal, immoral things to make crazy people do crazy things?
I don't have the resources to obtain all the answers, so I'll just leave that to Jordan.
Don't know about the Vegas event, but the NO event with all the Islam/ISIS stuff sounds like a Mossad operation. I can't help but think the events are connected somehow.
I would phrase it more like "the government cannot be trusted to tell the truth"
People used to be kind of willfully ignorant on the assumption govt was mostly benevolent but now more folks looking more skeptical at the lies and frankly these idiots aren't as good at spinning fabrications. It's not a grand conspiracy, it's consistent lies eroded trust and we are calling bullshit. Conspiracy theory means I've cleaned some hidden truth; most folks just calling bullshit I don't know the truth but i know for sure that ain't it!
I guess I'm just surprised by the number of people who are suddenly willing to believe almost anything. And most of the time without a shred of proof (or even logic and common sense)....
Well put. The folks trying to connect these dots HAVE been fun to watch: Both Army, both Fort Bragg, both OEF, both used Turo... etc. Kinda reminds me of the Lincoln/Kennedy connection. In case you forgot that one it starts like this: Both last names a have 7 letters...etc.
The one anomaly that I find curious with the Tesla suicide is this, "He shot himself then set off the explosives." Kinda makes you go, Hmmmmmm.
Timer.
Yes, but... He loaded his Tesla with firecrackers, white gas and a timer then shot himself after pulling up the Valet so he could self-immolate without the burning sensation. Crazy people do crazy things.
Seems odd a green beret with years of experience uses fireworks and a gas can to make an explosion. Seems kinda pathetic effort, but maybe special forces aren't what they used to be
The man blew himself away and then blew himself up. Green beret. There’s something to this and to discount it may (or more probably) would be irresponsible at best. Let’s not be too quick to sweep this under the rug without knowing all the facts. That said, I’m quite sure we will never learn alllll the facts, much like the shooters that attempted to take the life of President Trump.
Or the last big event that happened in LV in 2017, where a concert killing spree seemed to cover up an attempted killing of a Saudi leader on an upper floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel. Helicopters filled with gunners, and people on the ground shooting away as well. Many vets watching recordings hearing well-known models of heavy guns being used. Not what was alleged to be from a man behind thick glass that from employees opinion would NOT have been possible to have been broken by a single man. (not to mention all kinds of people on the ground there NOT buying the gubmint story because their lying eyes told them a different story)
And the police chief at that event being suspiciously in charge at the site of the Lahaina fire on Maui, that was preceded by a VERY unusual pressure wave of wind being directed from the east towards Maui, or incredible oddities about what did or didn't burn there.
Yeah. Kinda like that.
I'm kinda coming to the conclusion that a "well-executed" plot is being pulled off by some puppet masters that put in place pieces and utilize people doing seemingly innocent things that all direct your eyes and ears away from a bigger plot.
Or that there are people in government who target agitated loners and help "push them" over the edge, so that their agitated loneliness looks to be cause, but a bigger purpose is in play to exercise greater govt. control by playing off the anticipated fear that follows such an event.
I find it increasingly implausible that the government is just taking advantage of an unexpected disaster, and am more believing that there's a bigger plot to take away our individual freedoms by whatever means necessary.
And yes, I believe that 9/11 was in inside job, and a planned demolition for a number of reasons. Because it's the most plausible of explanations, regardless of how much the govt tries to explain it away.
https://shop.babylonbee.com/products/conspiracy-theory-t-shirt
Yeah. I started doing even more thinking on this (yeah I know…crazy). The man allegedly planned this from Colorado. Wrote a manifesto. Got some fireworks, a gun, rented a Tesla “Cyber Truck”, drove to Vegas to park it in front of a Trump building and then… proceeded to kill himself and blow himself up, and yet didn’t attempt to create mass causalities or bring down the building. There was a message. Period. What that message was or is will probably be silenced overall and the c theories will persist bc the people never ever ever get all the messaging or answers.
Here, watch this.. just came out from the Sean Ryan show. The guy TRIED to get hold of anybody who would listen about some war crimes, stated he was being followed. I think he tried to keep them away by claiming he had a VBIED (Vehicle-based IED), and since the Cybertruck can be self-driven, he's an ops guy, and the DNA from the body doesn't match his kid with little damage to the hotel, it's possible he's still alive. He's DEFINITELY gotten the attention of the govt. and the army. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xglaXVtQcis
The Las Vegas massacre on Oct 1, 2017 went down the memory hole as quickly as it could be shoved there, including the suspicious deaths afterwards of several people who questioned the lone shooter story… the lack of curiosity from the east coast press was a major tell of a cover up. Our spooks are fighting a war and this latest LV event looks like a message to Trump/Musk.
After all the hoaxes we have just experienced the last few years I am glad people are not believing everything they are told anymore from the media.
What do you expect when the people have been manipulated and lied to for years? It seems the IC community likes confusion and fear at times. Thank god people are catching on.
Many issues have been politicized and people are sceptical now.
Look at what the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act legalized (signed under Obama), and you'll realize that we have just cause to be skeptical of anything the government and media attempt to manipulate us with.
I just listened to Tucker Carlson interview Bernard Hudson. He is a retired 28 yr veteran of the cia & sounds very similar to the intelligence services friends of yours. Very above board, never saw/aware of spying on members of Congress & failures were generally due to politics. Let’s agree that the majority of the CIA & other intelligence agencies are full of good well intentioned unsuspecting individuals doing their jobs. However, the underbelly of these organizations are as corrupt as the day is long & knowledge is intentionally very limited.
I also personally know someone who has worked within the agencies & the compartmentalization of information is of absurd & epic proportions. Within their specific department, where they were the experts in intelligence in a certain region, there was not a single person that could make a decision on an active situation because none of them had the compartmental authorization. They had to bring in someone several levels above to read it. This was a red flag. On another occasion in a heated meeting about an ongoing war zone an “employee” remarked that the NYT was not supposed to write what they did & were supposed to check with this agency before writing anything. Another red flag. These were 2 small examples observed in a short time. I think the employees either 1. have their heads buried in the sand; 2. think they’re doing important work so they overlook the wrong doings or sketchiness or 3. are on a power trip with the knowledge afforded them over the everyday American.
23+ years ago, The Patriot Act was to resolve the problem of Agencies not sharing information due to different Agencies had different proprietary systems; a robust communal system was to be created so that information can be shared in real-time.
It was a ruse in order to pass the bill and provide agencies an opportunity to obtain powers that were previously prohibited.
They most certainly are ....
https://slaynews.com/news/bill-gates-advances-plan-vaccinate-public-without-consent/
As an Intel community veteran, if I'm being honest with people, I tell them to think less James Bond and more Maxwell Smart.
Of course, if I want to impress them, I affect a cagey evasive manner and let their imaginations run wild. Whatever they're picturing is bound to be MUCH cooler than anything I actually did.
Yep. I used to dismiss these conspiracy theories out of hand but that is harder to do these days with what has happened over the last few years. I still tend to dismiss the grand theories on the principle that 3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead. But I don't think badly of people for advancing them now. Think back to all the things we found out from the Church Committee. We need a new version if we can find someone we trust.
I get it, but when the government hides and redacts(illegally) everything around every corner and issue; after the last 10 years I side with Sean Davis at the Federalist:
"Ready to have your minds blown? I know what’s going on with the drones, and I will share it with you. But I’m also to give you the secret to seeing through all the nonsense we’ve been peddled for 60+ years.
What I am about to reveal to you is the Rosetta Stone for interpreting every major news event. I will give you the secret to unlocking the mystery. One simple assumption will reveal everything. Are you ready?
“The U.S. government was behind it and is lying to you to cover it up.”
That’s it. That’s all you need to assume, and you will be correct. Think I’m crazy? That it couldn’t possibly be that simple? That it could never be that obvious? Let’s try it out and see how it works.
Who killed JFK? The U.S. government was behind it and is lying to you to cover it up.
How did the cartels manage to get so many drugs into and so much cash out of the U.S.? The U.S. government was behind it and is lying to you to cover it up...."
On and on.
I agree with the thesis that our highest level bureaucrats and their next three levels down are completely incompetent, therefore use force and lawfare to obfuscate their ineptness, but at some point you have to make every.single.thing. transparent so People know.
Remember, there is some statute they can use against you or just make them up as they have done with Trump and his friends. Can you afford it? I cannot. Nobody can. These are evil, incompetent vermin with the power of the federal government. And they need to be stopped. Now. Not by the use of violence.
This is ignorant analysis to the point of calling into question the agenda behind the writing. This pretends that the CIA isn't behind the largest global drug trafficking system ever seen, that our government does not leverage massive fraud in banking and global finance thru the Fed and a corrupt system of financial institutions, and that our government has not manifested inhumane campaigns of abusive mind control efforts to victimize thousands of human subjects who never consented. It also pretends that the lies from the USG just over the past 4 years are not some of the most outrageous and egregious betrayals of public trust in our lifetime. So yes, if we ignore these facts, then this analysis is well reasoned. If we keep these facts in view, then the realities are absolutely unthinkable in every way possible. I urge everyone to pay no heed to that ridiculous analysis.
It's amazing how his id survived the explosion. Just like in the 9/11 attack
I’m sorry but what I put in the “no way is that true” pile has now been put in the “maybe it’s true” pile, and that’s going to include possible hidden alien tech. The only thing in the “100% true” pile is that they have lied their asses off to us for decades and those lies have resulted in the harm and death of millions.
It’s funny the Tesla had parts that were burned and the body was burned beyond recognition but his plastic IDs were in pretty good condition. Kind of makes you wonder if somebody else’s body was in there and they use the self driving feature on the car. A man with his experience Would know that a Tesla wouldn’t blow up their bulletproof. So kind of makes you wonder if the man still alive and escaped to some unknown place.
Conspiracy theories often spring up because full, accurate info is withheld from the public. Increasingly, or at least it seems, government does not divulge all that it knows. Are the feds shielding us to protect us or are they just attempting to confuse us or cause fear? In some cases, they are incompetent and don't know the details. Why don't we know all the facts in the Trump attempted assassinations? What and why withholding info? Why was the "manifesto" of the Christian school trans killer withheld?
As to crazy people do crazy things, hardly conspiracy theory. Could it be that our wonderful government is doing illegal, immoral things to make crazy people do crazy things?
I don't have the resources to obtain all the answers, so I'll just leave that to Jordan.
Criminal people do criminal things in the government.
“Livelsberger ultimately committed suicide”
Are you sure?
Don't know about the Vegas event, but the NO event with all the Islam/ISIS stuff sounds like a Mossad operation. I can't help but think the events are connected somehow.
Here Jordan, go listen to David Grush in the latest congressional hearing and tell us there might not be truth in “conspiracy theory’s”
https://www.c-span.org/program/public-affairs-event/hearing-on-unidentified-anomalous-ufo-phenomena/651992
Absolutely right, there are far too many people who have concluded that everything even slightly unusual is part of some grand conspiracy....
Mark,
I would phrase it more like "the government cannot be trusted to tell the truth"
People used to be kind of willfully ignorant on the assumption govt was mostly benevolent but now more folks looking more skeptical at the lies and frankly these idiots aren't as good at spinning fabrications. It's not a grand conspiracy, it's consistent lies eroded trust and we are calling bullshit. Conspiracy theory means I've cleaned some hidden truth; most folks just calling bullshit I don't know the truth but i know for sure that ain't it!
I guess I'm just surprised by the number of people who are suddenly willing to believe almost anything. And most of the time without a shred of proof (or even logic and common sense)....