Perhaps worth saying too that, like masking, this is something that was especially evident first to people actually working in hospitals and the like. If anyone was being careful to mask it was them and yet, very early in the pandemic, we still saw a substantial number of hospital workers catching COVID-19, likely on the job... which affected our fervor for masking not all.
Similarly, since they were among the first people vaccinated, they were also among the first people to realize "oh, we're catching COVID anyway". Actually happened to a doctor friend of ours and his family pretty early on and someone told him "oh, so you were one of those rare breakthrough cases I hear about on the news?". They aren't especially uncommon, he said.
The fact that the frontline nurses working in Covid wards in the early stages of the Covid epidemic were not give some way to demonstrate their natural immunity will I think be remembered as one of the most shameful episodes of this whole affair.
Good points. I however cannot see "COVID" as anything other than a mind-virus formulated to re-brand the common cold/flu and whip most people into a frenzied fear-fest.
Exactly-- the. fear fest then allows all kinds of govt control. My Israeli patients say it is VERY much like what they have experienced from all Israels govts-- keep them in fear of being killed or attacked and boy do you have a compliant populace 🤔. Ever was thus. One of the oldest tricks in the book.
I can hardly stop laughing at the pathetic psychopathy playing out while most people just move along with the latest updates like the "herd" they have been indoctrinated into believing they are. I mean, come on: Doesn't the phrase "herd immunity" make anyone here cringe? I know I'm not a cow, but interestingly enough, the word "vaccine" was originated in the mid-1800s by early medtech cartel puppets with regard to smallpox and cowpox: The word relates specifically to COWS, ffs. Every time someone gets happy about the word "vaccine" they are celebrating being treated like or treating other people as animals, not as living breathing spiritual men and women. Words are magical: We learn "spell-ing" as children, but who is teaching us what to speak into reality???😈👾🤖☠️
Yes - breakthrough cases EVERYWHERE, yet many of the vaxxed I know still seem to think it's a pandemic of the unvaxxed. Makes me want to SCREAM. A family Thanksgiving is open to vaxxed, but unvaxxed are only invited if they'll test first. This after at least two of the vaxxed have gotten covid in the last few weeks (and none of the unvaxxed). And nope, not testing, not vaxxing, not going.
From start to finish never a mention anywhere, anytime by anybody about the immune system.
But that's what it is all about.
That's what fights the illness, every illness.
That's what vaccines depend upon for their pretended 'efficacy' - it's not the vaccine 'does it' if it gets done, it's the immune system.
So all the discussion should be about how to improve the efficiency, the health, the strength, the abilities of your immune system.
But there's not a word. Even by well meaning commentators like this one.
The words all come from the government in terms of laws and edicts and every single measure the govts mandate is HARMFUL to the immune system. Every single one.
And they even ban the use of things that would help the immune system: like IVM and HCQ.
So get the narrative onto the immune system.
check the FLCCC protocols.
start strengthening your immune system and get the gear ready for early home treatment if you need it.
And check your local hospital for what treatment they propose to give you if you become a covid patient of theirs - because you know what? they probably won't give you the best treatment, they'll probably deny you anti-virals like IVM. True. they don't advertise that fact do they?
Get on the ball. It is about your immune system. So demand equal rights for it. Demand equal billing. Equal space. And a fair go - health and strength giving measures for it.
You do realise EVERY single measure govts have mandated are HARMFUL to your immune system?
And then they want to pump a vaccine into you that will prompt your immune system to swing into action and fix things?
And then if you survive they want to claim credit for it?
Do you realise how you're being conned?
Forget the people, forget the govt, forget the vaccine controversies, just get to the guts of the matter and demand a fair go for your immune system, the 'Army' of the body, of your body. Demand an equal go a fair go for your army.
Right? It makes for some shallow conversations, though. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to be around anyone who is sleepwalking into the coming stakeholder capitalism, AKA, social credit system. At the same time, these are the people we need to wake up, or they'll pull us over the cliff with them. Sigh.
it is tough navigating that minefield, especially with friends and family. I do not plan on joining them, but as you stated, it may happen regardless. Sure hope not.
Are they still maintaining the policy of only testing the vaccinated for a breakthrough infection if they end up in the hospital? In which case this is still just propaganda.
The NYT data shows highly vaxed states like Vermont, Mass, RI, and Connecticut (although still low) have high case rates but low hospitalizations rate. West Virginia and Idaho have had both a high case rate and a high hospitalization rate for about 2-3 months now (contributing more to both in the rates).
I can think of a lot of confounders in what you just said. In any case there is an option to select the ability to view by deaths which strikes me as more solid data. So that page would suggest vaccines are still reducing relative risk of death by a multiple. What the change in absolute risk is, can't really be seen.
Confounders exist, that's why they do studies. People have been making claims on simple data since Covid began.
I don't think this article is about relative or absolute risk reduction. There is data even before this recent wave that showed a 30 y/o unvaccinated risk of death was still less than 75 y/o vaccinated risk of death. We know that old people will be vaccinated and still die. Vast majority of deaths in Vermont have been among the vaccinated for months now.
The larger point is that vaccines reduce chances of testing positive which reduce chances of people spreading it (according to CDC breakthrough data reported).
Likewise, they drop everyone's risk for death. For kids, that risk was almost non-existent to begin with.
The vaccines impact on illness/severity and its safety are different topics.
I am peer reviewing an article for Nature Scientific Reports as we speak so I know how studies work. And I would say that the claim that vaccines reduce Covid transmission in any way is increasingly contested these days. The claim that there is still some protection from death is not.
I know directly and indirectly of numerous people who have been infected after vaccination. The numbers have been really increasing in the past two months. They are falling all over each other to get boosters now (yes, I am in deep blue Branch Covidian territory).
Cal Berkeley's football team was 99% vax'd and had 44 Covid cases 2 weeks ago.
There's roughly 100 players on a college fb team. So if one of the cases was the 1 guy who wasn't vax'd...that means roughly 43 of 99 vax'd players had breakthrough cases.
And what else does your sentence tell us? ‘ Millions of Americans are testing positive for COVID-19 regardless of their compliance status.’ Jackpot! Colds we will always have with us! Testing for coronavirus/colds is always going to give us positive results (besides the false positives on top of it!). The gift that keeps on giving!!!
Perhaps worth saying too that, like masking, this is something that was especially evident first to people actually working in hospitals and the like. If anyone was being careful to mask it was them and yet, very early in the pandemic, we still saw a substantial number of hospital workers catching COVID-19, likely on the job... which affected our fervor for masking not all.
Similarly, since they were among the first people vaccinated, they were also among the first people to realize "oh, we're catching COVID anyway". Actually happened to a doctor friend of ours and his family pretty early on and someone told him "oh, so you were one of those rare breakthrough cases I hear about on the news?". They aren't especially uncommon, he said.
The fact that the frontline nurses working in Covid wards in the early stages of the Covid epidemic were not give some way to demonstrate their natural immunity will I think be remembered as one of the most shameful episodes of this whole affair.
Good points. I however cannot see "COVID" as anything other than a mind-virus formulated to re-brand the common cold/flu and whip most people into a frenzied fear-fest.
Exactly-- the. fear fest then allows all kinds of govt control. My Israeli patients say it is VERY much like what they have experienced from all Israels govts-- keep them in fear of being killed or attacked and boy do you have a compliant populace 🤔. Ever was thus. One of the oldest tricks in the book.
Thanks, Carol. Yes, fear also kills curiosity (questioning!) and creativity (individuality!). The CON-TROLL-ers know this.
This might be good news... Missouri is dropping all CONVid-19 mandates immediately - look: https://markusallen.substack.com/p/whoa-did-the-state-of-missouri-just
CDC stopped reporting breakthrough cases in May for a reason. Downhill fall in slow motion, with media protection.
I can hardly stop laughing at the pathetic psychopathy playing out while most people just move along with the latest updates like the "herd" they have been indoctrinated into believing they are. I mean, come on: Doesn't the phrase "herd immunity" make anyone here cringe? I know I'm not a cow, but interestingly enough, the word "vaccine" was originated in the mid-1800s by early medtech cartel puppets with regard to smallpox and cowpox: The word relates specifically to COWS, ffs. Every time someone gets happy about the word "vaccine" they are celebrating being treated like or treating other people as animals, not as living breathing spiritual men and women. Words are magical: We learn "spell-ing" as children, but who is teaching us what to speak into reality???😈👾🤖☠️
Vaca! I never thought about this.
Yes - breakthrough cases EVERYWHERE, yet many of the vaxxed I know still seem to think it's a pandemic of the unvaxxed. Makes me want to SCREAM. A family Thanksgiving is open to vaxxed, but unvaxxed are only invited if they'll test first. This after at least two of the vaxxed have gotten covid in the last few weeks (and none of the unvaxxed). And nope, not testing, not vaxxing, not going.
I really think that, for many people, they just can't give up feeling superior.
The Immune System. Your Immune System:
From start to finish never a mention anywhere, anytime by anybody about the immune system.
But that's what it is all about.
That's what fights the illness, every illness.
That's what vaccines depend upon for their pretended 'efficacy' - it's not the vaccine 'does it' if it gets done, it's the immune system.
So all the discussion should be about how to improve the efficiency, the health, the strength, the abilities of your immune system.
But there's not a word. Even by well meaning commentators like this one.
The words all come from the government in terms of laws and edicts and every single measure the govts mandate is HARMFUL to the immune system. Every single one.
And they even ban the use of things that would help the immune system: like IVM and HCQ.
So get the narrative onto the immune system.
check the FLCCC protocols.
start strengthening your immune system and get the gear ready for early home treatment if you need it.
And check your local hospital for what treatment they propose to give you if you become a covid patient of theirs - because you know what? they probably won't give you the best treatment, they'll probably deny you anti-virals like IVM. True. they don't advertise that fact do they?
Get on the ball. It is about your immune system. So demand equal rights for it. Demand equal billing. Equal space. And a fair go - health and strength giving measures for it.
You do realise EVERY single measure govts have mandated are HARMFUL to your immune system?
And then they want to pump a vaccine into you that will prompt your immune system to swing into action and fix things?
And then if you survive they want to claim credit for it?
Do you realise how you're being conned?
Forget the people, forget the govt, forget the vaccine controversies, just get to the guts of the matter and demand a fair go for your immune system, the 'Army' of the body, of your body. Demand an equal go a fair go for your army.
That's all.
It's pure madness. How do we relate to those around us who have a completely opposite view of the world?! https://etana.substack.com/p/misinformation-is-the-new-racism
Avoid talking about anything except the weather. With the Climate Change narrative, that isn’t safe ground anymore.
Right? It makes for some shallow conversations, though. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to be around anyone who is sleepwalking into the coming stakeholder capitalism, AKA, social credit system. At the same time, these are the people we need to wake up, or they'll pull us over the cliff with them. Sigh.
it is tough navigating that minefield, especially with friends and family. I do not plan on joining them, but as you stated, it may happen regardless. Sure hope not.
CDC reported breakthrough cases in September today.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
Are they still maintaining the policy of only testing the vaccinated for a breakthrough infection if they end up in the hospital? In which case this is still just propaganda.
I don't think that's correct.
The NYT data shows highly vaxed states like Vermont, Mass, RI, and Connecticut (although still low) have high case rates but low hospitalizations rate. West Virginia and Idaho have had both a high case rate and a high hospitalization rate for about 2-3 months now (contributing more to both in the rates).
I can think of a lot of confounders in what you just said. In any case there is an option to select the ability to view by deaths which strikes me as more solid data. So that page would suggest vaccines are still reducing relative risk of death by a multiple. What the change in absolute risk is, can't really be seen.
Confounders exist, that's why they do studies. People have been making claims on simple data since Covid began.
I don't think this article is about relative or absolute risk reduction. There is data even before this recent wave that showed a 30 y/o unvaccinated risk of death was still less than 75 y/o vaccinated risk of death. We know that old people will be vaccinated and still die. Vast majority of deaths in Vermont have been among the vaccinated for months now.
The larger point is that vaccines reduce chances of testing positive which reduce chances of people spreading it (according to CDC breakthrough data reported).
Likewise, they drop everyone's risk for death. For kids, that risk was almost non-existent to begin with.
The vaccines impact on illness/severity and its safety are different topics.
I am peer reviewing an article for Nature Scientific Reports as we speak so I know how studies work. And I would say that the claim that vaccines reduce Covid transmission in any way is increasingly contested these days. The claim that there is still some protection from death is not.
For how long is the question. If this requires a booster shot every 3-6 months then that's not going to work.
At some point questions about the COVID naive-vaccinated getting Covid and then later becoming reinfected will need to be asked.
I know directly and indirectly of numerous people who have been infected after vaccination. The numbers have been really increasing in the past two months. They are falling all over each other to get boosters now (yes, I am in deep blue Branch Covidian territory).
Cal Berkeley's football team was 99% vax'd and had 44 Covid cases 2 weeks ago.
There's roughly 100 players on a college fb team. So if one of the cases was the 1 guy who wasn't vax'd...that means roughly 43 of 99 vax'd players had breakthrough cases.
And those are 20 year old elite athletes.
Can there be any debate left?
very well stated as usual; however I think the next to last word is "inalienable" not "unalienable"
Sincerely,
Mr Pendant
Tell that to Thomas Jefferson! https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration
And what else does your sentence tell us? ‘ Millions of Americans are testing positive for COVID-19 regardless of their compliance status.’ Jackpot! Colds we will always have with us! Testing for coronavirus/colds is always going to give us positive results (besides the false positives on top of it!). The gift that keeps on giving!!!