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For God's sake can we please stop with the "masks don't work crap"! Of course they work. Are they perfect? No. Better than nothing? Yes! If you think coughing or sneezing into you sleeve is a good idea then the mask is a good idea too. Use your logic please.

If you get the disease it is probably from your HANDS touching your face. Damn you people are stupid and believe anything to justify being a baby and not wearing a mask. I'm so tired of this crap. Use common sense people.

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How about you wear the face diaper and let the rest of us decide if we want one or not. It is called freedom of choice. You can rebreathe all the crap on your mask that you have had crumpled up in the cup holder of your car for the last six months all you want. Don't force me to follow your stupidity off the cliff.

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Exactly. Freedom and sovereignty is our natural human condition!

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We were at Lowe’s today and the cashier removed his mask to take a breath. I saw on the inside of the mask a brown circle where his mouth was. That cannot be more healthy than breathing unrestricted air.

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So right, Tango268. We are designed to breathe as much air as necessary to keep our bodies healthy and free of disease. Mask wearing is a tool of the controllers who consider us vermin and wish us dead (or at least silent and compliant).

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agreed

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Exactly

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The masks are "petri dishes": New artificial conditions, "mask mouth" and "mask face", have appeared; dental and facial problems resulting from the growth of bacteria and fungi are proliferating.

The inner microbial infections are increasing periodontal conditions, which can eventually cause gum and tooth loss, and can in turn promote cardiovascular conditions. The outer microbial infections are increasing unnatural rash, acne, and other problems.

I have witnessed both in persons I have long known. The Powers That Be want us sick and/or dead: utterly helpless and dependent upon Big Pharma and Big Government. All of this is a war against Natural Law: both political and personal.

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Thanks for sharing. I would love to see the med-tech cartel factions talking about this. I haven't seen a dentist in nearly two years because of this tyranny, but it has forced me to seek even more natural alternatives and my teeth are healthy and strong. No muzzle ever for me.

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They were probably a coffee drinker.

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Amen

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And maybe don't be an ass and force other people to accept death?

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You have to “accept death” as a condition of being alive. That’s the problem with leftists; you actually believe you can alter reality by force of will. Wear your filthy mask of submission. Free Americans are done accepting your Soviet diktats.

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They don't have to accept death, or the science and logic that says a piece of cloth that is 97% virus permeable won't protect the wearer from viral infection. They can fervently believe that the mask will make them immortal and they will never die, of anything, if they want to. That just won't actually be the case. Very little of the rest of their leftist ideology is reality based, so why would this be?

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And when they die, it was my fault🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

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agreed

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agreed

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Amen

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If your worthless cloth wonder is actually protecting you, you should be just fine whether the rest of us engage in delusional magical thinking with you or not. That said, death is an inevitable result of being born so whether you accept it or not doesn't much matter. You might as well refuse to accept that the earth orbits the sun or that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow morning. Regardless of your acceptance level, all of the above are happening.

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Checked out the article. You are probably right about cloth masks. But I don't think most people are wearing cloth masks. There wearing the blue disposable masks made of 3 layers of polypropylene. Surgical masks, or medical masks as they are called in the study, are very effective, also blue and also have 3 layer polypropylene with a inner layer they refer to as melt blown. They are medical grade and almost as effective as N95. I am not sure if all blue masks with 3 layers of polypropylene have the melt blown inner layer but its a shame if they don't because the cost of each is similar on amazon. 30 bucks for $50. Its a shame the adminstration doesn't make it known that these very effective masks are available cheaply and also a shame that walmart etc are selling look alike surgical masks that may not be as effective. Maybe they are more effective than cloth. Anyway that is what most people that I see are wearing; hardly any strictly cloth masks. If everybody wore cheap medical grade surgical masks as the study you mentioned showed we would be better off.

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Surgical masks are even worse. They have huge gaps between the mask and the wearers face that would be lucky to stop a house fly. They are literally only intended to stop surgical personnel from coughing directly into the patient on a surgical table. AFAIK the study is referring to N95 medical masks which are not the same as those flaps of fabric commonly called a surgical mask. That said the vast majority of people I see are wearing those stupid reusable cloth things not surgical masks, which again are obviously not going to be effective at preventing viral infection because they don't even tightly fit the face. Failure to seal against the face is an automatic fail for N95 mask fit test.

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Your comment aged well, I see.

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Stay home forever and stay safe.

No one ever died at home before.

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Are you kidding me? Since when did people suddenly care about everybody else’s health? The world didn’t wear masks for flu, colds, bronchitis, tuberculosis or anything else when out in public. Did those deaths matter? Of course they did. Life is risk. Best thing anybody can do is know Jesus before they die. People ought to start caring about their own health. You want us to wear masks to be responsible for your health? Then send us your medical records please with medical history ans so we can see how you are doing with your diet and exercise. I’ve had enough of this utter nonsense.

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hahahahahahahahahahaha. that made my day. Literally one of the funniest comments on this thread. Thank you.

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"85% of infected COVID-19 patients reported habitual mask wearing. Only 3.9% of those infected said they “never” wear a face covering." Use your logic and common sense to explain why you cannot understand that.

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People touch their faces many times without even thinking about it. Rub their eyes, wipe their nose (or worse) without thinking. It happens. Masks help not hurt.

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I've been touching my face for years, I'm 55 and have never had any serious sicknesses or diseases. You do the math. You wear a mask if you choose to be paranoid, but don't ram your paranoia down our throats. I live my life the way I see fit and if someone else can't handle that, that's just plain tough.

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Nailed it. I'm 58 and I firmly believe those in our age group, +\- 5 yrs, are a lot tougher than the younger set gives us credit for, or are themselves. If you could survive the 9 hour drive in the family wagon from PA To Maine not wearing a sealtbelt, eatin' white bread sammiches, with the windows up and both parents smoking, Covid ain't nuthin'.

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that’s funny

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Precisely because I understand the medical tyranny under which we have all been living since 1910 (due to John Rockefeller, Abraham Flexner, and the birth of Big Pharma), I stopped going to cut-burn-and-drug death merchants more than 25 years ago.

If I were to break an arm, I would immediately seek to have it set by a competent technician (which is all "medical doctors" are; they are drug pushers, nether physicians nor healers in the historical senses). These body mechanics are useful for trauma, but they are inimical to health otherwise.

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You don’t understand inductive reasoning. You are a single data point, self-reporting, and it’s a failure in logic to project to a wider population. Try “Science for Dummies” when you’re killing time in between Trump rallies and cross-burnings.

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You, being the superior intellect that you are, do realize that those cross burnings you refer to are actually a Democrat (KKK) conceived tactic, no? Just ask Joe Biden (when he's not napping in his basement) who lionized his dear friend Sen. Robert Byrd, a KKK chapter leader, at his funeral. Perhaps it's best for you to consider the words of this most relevant proverb: 'Tis better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

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Really? Remind me again who likes to burn flags and cities.

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Fools who think something that is PROVEN to be 97% virus permeable will protect them from a virus babbling about science is pretty comical.

" An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%."

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

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Thank you.

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You try Otto Warburg, Johanna Budwig, et al, for some actual medical science, instead of CDC, FDA, and AMA cut-burn-and-drug Scientism.

The "Masks Work" is just one of many current Big Lies. Try "Exposing Lies" like that one, instead of perpetuating tyrannical propaganda.

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Funny that you’d mention data. Like you were interested what the data of the “wider population” shows. But here you are ignoring it instead and pretending the data supports your beliefs, then the usual ad hominems as per your ilk...

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Yeah right. It's because of idiots like this people need to be paranoid and the virus is spreading so fast.

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Only a moron is paranoid about something with a 1 in 1000 infection fatality rate. You hysterics are ridiculous. Good thing you didn't live when small pox was killing 5,000,000 people a year with a 30% infection fatality rate, you'd have hidden under your beds crying hysterically and never come out.

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For decades, we've worked and have been alongside people with flus and colds. Mostly, we didn't get sick. If we did, we recovered quickly. It's called the "immune system." No one went into hysterics about dying. Have you been wearing a mask for these decades because "people rub their eyes, wipe their nose......"???? Didn't think so. Chicken Little, the sky is falling and you, "Stupid", are brainwashed.

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Forget colds and flu. As late as the mid 20th century small pox was still killing 5 million people a year with a 30% infection fatality rate nothing shutdown or stopped. The difference between then and now? The snowflake factor. Never underestimate the potential for delicate snowflakes to over react.

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Says the guy who probably boycotted professional sports because they believe in equality.

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Or, Steve, there is a bigger agenda at hand.

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Wrong!! I suppose you haven’t heard of the people that had their lungs collapse Due to mask wearing? Bacterial infections? You need to educate yourself

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Search is your friend! Hospital workers wearing cloth mask suffer from significantly increased chance of bacterial infections. You are the one who needs education!

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

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Yes, cloth masks, what 90% of people are wearing, which aren’t doing a damn bit of good.

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I'd say more like 95%+. N95 masks or what the study calls "medical masks" even are 44% virus permeable. Guess this is why you would be kicked out of a level IV bio lab and laughed at for relying on either of the above.

" An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%."

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

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You’re kidding, right?? What you posted had ZERO scientific evidence that supports mask wearing by the general population.

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Wrong. Legit science website and not a basement blog. https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/what-to-know/masks/wearing-mask

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What you call "Legit science website" cites no actual research to support any of it's claims, because with regard to cloth masks, there is none.

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LMAO What you just called a basement blog is the only comprehensive study on the subject.

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"Legit science": propaganda purveyed by the self-protecting priesthood. Peer Review approval is merely reward for perpetuating dogma. What we now have in control of medicine are an entire army of Trofim Lysenkos.

See John Rockefeller, Abraham Flexner, and the birth of Big Pharma, which usurped control of medical schooling and medical practice, in 1910. We have had medical tyranny by a self-appointed elite ever since. Medical "heretics" are punished for their "heresy".

How many awards in the physical sciences (including biology) have you garnered? I have garnered seven. How high is your intelligence quotient? Mine is well above 150.

I stopped going to "medical doctors" more than 25 years ago, when I nearly died under their care; I have since then have relied upon diet, nutrition, and Natural Law, and I have been far healthier than I ever was while following their profit-making directions.

Follow the money. Follow the power.

Follow the control.

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"Hospital workers."

"Increased chance of bacterial infections."

Um, what do you think... hospital workers do, raise horses? Sounds more like... what would happen at a hospital, nothing to do with the mask. The only way to fully protect yourself at a hospital is to not go to the hospital.

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Jesus, you do realize that that is IN ADDITION TO the failure to protect from viral particles.... RIGHT? Not only do they fail to protect from the virus but they put you at increased risk of bacterial infection as well.

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If you read that study, they were comparing 3 groups: medical masks, cloth masks, and no masks. The cloth mask group got more infections than the non-mask group. So the point that this is in a hospital setting does not invalidate their result.

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You can also get pneumonia from the seasonal flu. Just depends on your current state of health. So if you are elderly and /or have health issues then wear a mask. Otherwise. Masks should be a persons choice period.

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agreed

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You certainly sound like an educated...? You must be a Democrat, they never reveal their sources or references either, that's why they can tell any lie they want and their sheep believe everything!

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They don't need no stinkin sources, the masks make them FEEL good so that means they must be working.

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Actually Trumplicans are anti-science who do their “research” on You Tube, blogs, and memes. Here’s a University of Maryland citation that refutes the mask lies cited by your fellow crazies above. https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/what-to-know/masks/wearing-mask

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That's just opinion. It doesn't cite a single study or any actual data to back it up.

MYTH - The world is more or less spherical and orbits the star commonly called the sun.

FACT - In reality the world is flat and if you travel too far you will fall off the edge.

That nonsense I just claimed was myth and fact literally has as much validity as the simple opinion you linked to.

ACTUAL FACT - Cloth masks are 97% virus permeable and thus logically, relying on them for protection is absurd.

"" An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%."

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577"

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I like how your source has zero data in it. If you think masks work then wear one but don’t think you can force your garbage on others. Oh by the way I hope your mask can prevent a virus that’s 1/10000 the size of a human hair and can only be seen with a scan electron microscope. Considering most surgical masks are only rated to 1/3000 the size of a human hair.

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Medical propaganda is not equatable with objective science; it is largely propaganda, and used to control practitioners and patients. Peer Review and Nobel Awards are about as trustworthy as the Hollywood Oscars.

If one's starting premise is false, then what follows logically (if not literally) will be false. Hippocrates, who believed in holistic health and natural law, would not be allowed a medical license in John Rockefeller's patent-for-profit artificial substitute for true healing that prevails in the USA.

Louis Pasteur did not "beat" Antoine Bechamp. (In fact, Pasteur reputedly recanted - in French, of course - on his death bed: "The Microbe is nothing, the Terrain is everything."). Pasteur was declared the "winner" because nature (e.g., functional foods) cannot be patented for profit, while artificial vaccines can be so.

John Rockefeller took that to the next step in 1910, usurping corporatist control of medical schools and medical licenses, using the bribed politicians and the paid media to promote vaccines as "safe and effective" (sound familiar?), and pushing his drugs created from petrochemical byproducts of Standard Oil production upon the masses, thus becoming the world's first billionaire. Big Pharma was born - and we have been the slaves of unnatural medicine ever since, in the exalted name of "Science". (We have concomitantly become less and less healthy, since our continued sickness makes them ever richer.)

It is because I actually excelled in the sciences, and because I understand the Scientific Method, that I reject the corporatist medical dogma that controls all of our lives via fascist edicts. What is called science is often dogma, and even true (objective) science is limited: The Scientific Method is a tool, nothing more: It is not infinite in its application; it is not a god, much less the God: It is fundamentally atomistic and non-holistic. What we call a doctor is simply a technician (mechanic) who learns systems and tools; such is not a physician (much less a healer) in the original sense of the word.

When was the last time you saw a disembodied circulatory system strolling down the sidewalk? Science is based upon isolating a variable, but no variable can be entirely isolated in a living person. A human being is a dynamic organism, not a static machine.

Since you have a fondness for ad hominem fallacies ("Trumplicans"), I will reciprocate: You are just a useful idiot who parrots the propaganda of our self-appointed masters; you do not understand true science at all.

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Their lungs collapsed because of overly aggressive ventilation. Fauci pushed for it after the Chinese recommended it, and then scores of doctors began to "pause" ventilation and made noise (which most people didn't hear) that overly aggressive ventilation was compromising patients' respiratory systems.

Science.

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I've actually touched my face more because of the mask than I ever did before. So for me and others, it puts me at higher risk of catching it. For hundreds of years society has been catching coughs and sneezes by covering mouth with hand and it was considered polite. No one was called a super spreader for it. Think man!

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we did think back then now they follow

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You have no idea how often you touch your face. This has been demonstrated by surveying people and asking them how often they estimate they touch their faces in a given time period with follow up observation by independent observers refuting the survey participants estimates. The only way you or anyone else will accurately know how often you touch your face with or without a mask is if you are observed.

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Then you wear one, if you are so protected. Just don't make me!!

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Why are maskers nearly 22 times more likely than non-maskers to contract the virus?

Using the factors of your hypothesis - touching, rubbing, wiping the face - logic and common sense indicates that masks actually induce people to 'increase' those activities, thereby contradicting the position that masks help.

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Because of the idiot non maskers who are spreading it !!!!

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If you're moronic 97% virus permeable cloth face diapers actually worked it wouldn't matter what the non-maskers were doing. You think personnel going into a hot zone in REAL bio-chemical gear see it fail because indiginous populations are not adequately protected? You people's idiotic rationalizations are getting ridiculous. Your face diapers DO NOT WORK. They are useless. and only stupid people believe otherwise.

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Ppl constantly have hands on face while wearing a mask! They prop it under their nose so all the germs go right in! Don’t tell me mask wearers aren’t touching their faces! Masks don’t prevent touching eyes. Do you know the protocol for how long to wear a mask, how often to change, how to remove it properly and where to put it? Who out there does?

CDC has the randomized studies that prove masks do not work for community spread. I found them- bet you can too!! To make it simple - the tiny virus passes through the much larger mask pores like it’s a chain link fence. Hence, mask to mask transmission, and 85% of mask wearers get sick. We all have at least 95% chance we won’t get it, 95% chance we’ll survive if we do. Can’t we relax, show our big smiles and live our lives? We need to protect the elderly with other sicknesses! This mask war is contrived to pit us against each other and show how many ppl will blindly follow — and it’s working!

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You people keep making this claim with zero evidence for it. The claim that something which is 97% virus permeable is going to have any significant ability to protect from said virus is ridiculous. It's nothing but feel good fantasy.

" An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%."

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

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And that’s in a medical setting, not in a grocery store!!! People need to wake up!!!

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Several studies, some by CDC, report that a large number of mask-wearers either don’t wear them correctly or touch their face, adjusting them all day. Besides, where does touching your face spread anything? What the media refuses to report is the obvious that You would have to touch mucous membranes or non-intact skin to inoculate yourself if Covid follows all infectious disease guidelines.

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Nope. Simply touching an area of your face which is subsequently contacted by another object such as a tissue which then contacts a mucus membrane is sufficient as is touching around your mouth then licking the area with your tongue etc.

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😂😂😂😂😂

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you do realize the CDC has also gone back on their original statement stating they now believe covid is not likely spread through surface contact. While not impossible, it is highly unlikely. Therefore you get it from the airborn particulates which the standard masks we wear just simply do not stop those. Masks do help, but not the ones we are told to wear. They have to be medical grade to have any real effect. Do you realize how many times i have seen two people walk up to each other, immediately put on their mask when they got close, but then proceeded to stand within a foot of each other to talk for 30+ minutes? It is the distancing that matters, not the masks. People feel protected and forget that distancing is the major factor in not spreading disease. The studies show its the non distancing causing the spread, and that people are actually wearing their masks, yet still getting sick. The evidence is right before you but you do not want to believe it for some reason. The common sense here, as it has been our entire lives is, you stay away from sick people if you do not want to get sick. By the way, I like your username, it seems to fit/describe you perfectly. ;) By the way, wear your mask, don't, I don't really care as long as you stay 6 feet away from me because that is what really matters. Once you are closer than that, mask or not, all bets are off and you will likely spread the disease to others.

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You do know what habitual means, right? Look it up, it doesn't mean 24/7/365. A "habitual" mask wearer could only wear it while working a 40 hour week, and never when they're out on their own time.

I don't see why anti-maskers grab every random number they can, then skew the results to favor their argument. First, how do you know the patients who reported this weren't lying? Second, does "habitual" mean every moment they're out of doors, or "regularly?" Third, you are aware COVID doesn't just... sneak up on you, right? It comes from other people, who may NOT be wearing masks.

The bullet point is basically saying "people who wear masks can get COVID. Yes, they can, so can people not wearing masks. As a statistic for an entire argument, it's shit. It's the same as saying 100% of people who died died because of death.

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.....the recovery rate for people infected with C19 is 99.75%-----what don't YOU get about that????????

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Give me one logical reason why any RATIONAL person would believe a piece of cloth which is PROVEN 97% virus permeable is going to protect from virus transmission. Right there is no reason and you have not one single study showing they have any significant effect at all. Nothing but various claims completely unsupported by any actual data.

"" An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%."

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577"

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That’s why it’s best to depend on real science - randomized studies that show they do not work. There has never been a mask that protects from a virus. NEVER. That’s why healthcare workers in direct contact with Covid patients wear a special fit N95 plus enclosed in a shield. And many of them still contract Covid 19.

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🦊 The actual Bullet Point of the story is that out of 214 people in that study, EVERY ONE of them were SICK. Only 11 of those SICK people responded that they NEVER wear masks. COVID is not the point. It is a Fake Pandemic. 96.5% of those SICK people wore masks.

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Don't confuse people with facts. They don't enjoy thinking when someone can just tell them what to do.

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Fourth, this article uses a PORTION of a table from the CDC study. You can't take a single data point and make a conclusion, especially when they looked as countless other factors at the same time.

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You stupid retard. “85% of infected wear mask” That’s because 90% of people wear the mask in the first place. ( as shown in control group). Why do brain dead people like you think you know anything about logic and common sense

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Did you see the p-value, dimwit? It's 0.86. That means there is an 86% the masks had absolutely no effect. Yes there is a SMALL chance that it had a SMALL effect, but take your mask and shove it up your ... hole.

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He doesn't know what that even means. They babble endlessly about science and logic and then promptly refuse to accept any of the actual data provided by the former or apply the latter.

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Two things here: 1) Do you even know what a p-value is? and 2) Did you even read the CDC study? Or are you just taking making your points based on this op-ed that uses only a portion of a table from the study?

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Anybody who thinks something 97% virus permeable is going to protect them from viruses is pretty obvious the "stupid retard". And if the worthless wonder cloth masks work and 90% of people are wearing them why are infection rates sky rocketing all over the country? You and logic aren't even on the same planet.

"" An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%."

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577"

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Its self reported after the patients knew they had Covid. Also masks sent great at protecting you. However, if you are asymptomatic, then it protects people around you. So it's when everyone wears make, we are protected. When no one does, no one is protected .

Lastly, the CDC still recommend wearing a mask, being out doors, avoid eating out (since you can wear a mask while eating)

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Where is your own immune system in all the mask verbiage?????

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More magical thinking i.e. fabric which is 97% virus permeable will magically stop viral particles from passing from the inside to the outside. No, it won't.

"" An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%."

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577"

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have you actually read the study? the CDC was studying the behavior of positive tested people to see if there was a disparity. masks were worn by both positive and negative tested people, however CoV positive people were twice as likely to have visited a restaurant in the past 14 days. this means that despite wearing masks and practicing social distancing, being in that restaurant or bar negates those efforts because you physically can’t have a mask on while you eat or drink. if you want a study looking at mask efficacy, look up “Nature Med mask”

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Please just do some fucking actual research and stop basing your ill informed opinions on a single article that supports your view.

Masks are about preventing the wearer from sharing their own germs with people around them. They are NOT effective at preventing the wearer from picking up outside germs.

I wear a mask so that I do not inadvertently get YOU sick, I wear a mask because I GIVE A SHIT about the people around me. That means everyone you see wearing a mask is doing so out of compassion and respect for the people around them, INCLUDING YOU. By not wearing a mask, you are saying the slightest inconvenience to your comfort is worth endangering those are you and is disrespectful, childish, and shows complete disregard and lack of empathy and compassion.

Just wear the damn mask.

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Please just do some fucking actual research and stop basing your ill informed opinions on a single article that supports your view.

Masks are about preventing the wearer from sharing their own germs with people around them. They are NOT effective at preventing the wearer from picking up outside germs.

I wear a mask so that I do not inadvertently get YOU sick, I wear a mask because I GIVE A SHIT about the people around me. That means everyone you see wearing a mask is doing so out of compassion and respect for the people around them, INCLUDING YOU. By not wearing a mask, you are saying the slightest inconvenience to your comfort is worth endangering those are you and is disrespectful, childish, and shows complete disregard and lack of empathy and compassion.

Just wear the damn mask.

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So masks are virtue signaling not actual protection?? Who openly sneezes or coughs on someone?? The seasonal flu also has an asymptotic infection rate of around 40%. If it’s so important to stop asymptotic people why haven’t people worn masks every flu season if they’re so effective???!!!!

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These virtue signallers are all narcissists and sociopaths who wish death on others and pretend they're full of compassion. They laugh at old ladies who pass out because the POS force them to wear masks despite asthma and heart issues. Sick of their lies. Their fake compassion fools no one anymore. They are all lying scum devoid of any empathy or basic human decency.

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Phony empathy and compassion from a THING that doesn't know what either is or give a damn about anyone else dying. Shut up!

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Read the CDC article in full and you'll realize that the author of this article grossly misinterpreted the data and failed to mention the numerous other factors that the CDC looked at in addition to mask-wearing. You cannot take one data point and make a conclusion, while ignoring the rest of the data. Maybe reach out to the CDC and see if they offer a spark notes version of their research studies considering you had so much trouble understanding it.

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Iditols can't be choosers, period. The survey should have asked if you were around idiots not wearing mask rather than asking if you were wearing mask. The cloth mask main objective was never to protect the wearer. It was to not spread to others from people that have it without symptoms. Everyone wears it then you don't get it from others. So for that fact you have to wear it. But there are enough idiots here so for it not to work.

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You don't understand that. The mask is to protect others from YOUR respiratory droplets, not to protect you from other people. So, if you are wearing a mask around an infectious person without one, you're still likely to get exposed. Meaningful data would show if the person who infected you had on a mask, not if you did. This study is useless.

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1. It makes no sense that viral particle penetration is only one way through cloth which is permeable in both directions. Viral particles will still be exhaled through cloth masks and respiratory droplets will still be absorbed through the material from one side to the other leaving the viral particles in them on what according to your logic is supposed to be the 'cold' side of the mask where exhalation force will then project them into the air.

2. People who are infect ed shouldn't be going out in public mask or no mask and those who are symptomatic don't expel virus in respiratory droplets since being asymptomatic means they aren't coughing or sneezing.

3. My primary goal is my own self preservation, not yours, and cloth masks utterly and completely fail in that regard even by your own admission. I am not going to risk increased chance of bacterial and other infection from wearing a petri dish diaper on my face to make you feel safer.

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100%

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I have self quarantined three times when I woke up with a cough. Just allergies. But I did not run around masked or otherwise. There are common sense precautions we could be taking. But you can't wear common sense on your face to virtue signal.

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And if you wear a mask you still need to cough or sneeze into your elbow. I wonder how many know that. A mask is not enough to protect others when you sneeze.

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Yes, it blocks the heavy larger respiratory particulates, but they fail to inform you that it does not block the small airborne particulates. Those are the ones that can be inhaled and are dangerous, not the heavy ones that the mask stops as those only go out a few feet and fall anyway. In that sense, a mask doesn't help anymore than using your sleeve when you sneeze and only protects someone somewhat close to you. But the aerosol generated at the same time still gets into the air and spreads. Again, its those airborne particles that are the real threat. Someone sneezes directly on you, if you get infected its likely to be an upper respiratory infection with little to no symptoms. However, the airborne particles get breathed into your lungs and cause lower respiratory infections which are the infections causing severe sickness and death. FYI, I read this from a medical journal on respiratory viruses that predates the bias views on covid19. Coronavirus is not a new thing, this is just a variant which behaves like other respiratory viruses. You are not protecting me or anyone else wearing that mask. Stop acting righteous for it and stop telling me you are saving my life because of it. Wear it, don't wear it, just be sure to stay 6 feet away from me at all times if you want to "save my life"

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Viruses in droplets (larger than 100 μm) typically fall to the ground in seconds within 2 m of the source and can be sprayed like tiny cannonballs onto nearby individuals. Because of their limited travel range, physical distancing reduces exposure to these droplets. Viruses in aerosols (smaller than 100 μm) can remain suspended in air for many seconds to hours, like smoke, and be inhaled. They are highly concentrated near an infected person, so they can infect people most easily in close proximity. But aerosols containing infectious virus can also travel more than 2 m and accumulate in poorly ventilated indoor air, leading to superspreading events.

In other words, because the virions of the coronavirus are roughly 100 nanometers, 1/10,000 the width of a hair and 1/30 the size of surgical mask filtrations (about 3.0 microns or 3,000 nanometers), surgical masks do not help. Cotton masks are really pathetic. The hydraulic diameter of cotton is roughly 200 microns, 1,429 times the size of the larger aerosol.

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Sorry, but I'll take a PhD's actual research and investigation over your rants and raves any day of the week. Masks DON'T work, because the lab this virus came out of, they used level 4 biohazard sealed suits to keep from being exposed to the virus... And you think a flimsy piece of cloth is going to stop a virus? It's like using a chainlink fence to stop a mosquito.

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy

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Hey dumbaxx, my source is a friend who is a general practitioner who actually has treated people with COVID-19. I don't need second hand research. That good enough research and investigation?

Nice dumbaxx quote of the day with the chain link fence thing. You do realize you don't breath, cough, or sneeze out pure virus right? It's attached to other larger molecules that DO get caught by the cloth.

Damn you people are dumb.

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Nope. We aren’t dumb, you have been deceived by fear lies. Ever smell a fart that wasn’t yours in a room full of random people?? Yeah...if underwear and jeans cant stop poop particles, your paper or cloth mask can’t stop a virus

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Why all the name calling, insecurity issues?

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YouCan'TCureStupid: Your "logic" is all predicated on a blind, unquestioning belief in germ theory, which is AN UNPROVEN THEORY propagated by the Rockefellers through western medicine indoctrination and which just so conveniently creates a perfect problem-reaction-solution for great financial benefit to the medical, pharmaceutical, and insurance industries.

I'm not talking about basic sanitation principles here. I'm saying that viruses are not "living" organisms and they do not "infect" other people. Viruses exist inside every human (and animal and plant), there to clean up toxic cells when the body is overwhelmed and cannot normally eliminate the poison. The "sickness" or symptoms experienced are due to the body releasing these toxins through respiratory and other elimination processes. People who are already health compromised are at greater risk of succumbing because there is too much toxin present and not enough health-promoting micro- and macronutrients going into the body, therefore the viruses can't do their job.

Furthermore, studies done in the twentieth century, which of course have been shelved and discredited by the allopathic medical industry, show that hundreds of patients sick with influenza (a so-called "virus") were exposed to healthy people, breathing directly on them for lengthy periods and within distances of only 12"-18", and the healthy people did not become "infected" with influenza. In fact, researchers took samples of the flu patients' phlegm/mucus and literally injected it into the bloodstream of healthy participants, none of whom became sick.

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You've gone off your rails. Viruses do not have to be living to infect people or cause disease. A virus is essentially just a set of chemical instructions to be executed by a host cell. Essentially a chemically based computer program accept that it's instructions are executed by biological cells not a machine.

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Yeah Karen has a friend who’s uncle heard from a neighbor who heard it from another friend who’s cousins ex roommate said that masks almost always work 10% of the time except when they don’t.

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All those names laced with profanity have convinced me of how sciencey you are. Move over Bill Nye.

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haha, you are only half right. Yes, the virus attaches to the heavy, larger water particles that, guess what, fall to the ground. CDC has even retracted their original stance on getting sick from surface area contact.

The part you are missing is that your respiration, sneezing, coughing, etc... also produce airborn particulates. These usually carry far less virus, but it still carries the virus and it only takes one. These airborn ones are also the dangerous ones since they stay in the air longer before falling to the ground and are the ones you are most likely to breathe into your lungs causing the lower respiratory infections which are the life threatening infections you hear about in the news. That is why they say exposure is being within 6 feet for 15 minutes or longer, however, at this point, it no longer matters whether you have the mask on or not for this type of exposure.

So yes, the mask protects you against the large particulates that don't really need much protection from in the first place, but do not protect you from the dangerous particles.

Social distancing is the key. That was actually the whole point of the CDC study that this article was based on. They were trying to show how being in public and not social distancing is effecting the spread. A side effect of the study just shows (assuming everyone is telling the truth) that despite the arguments against wearing the mask, the majority of people actually adhere to mask rules and regulations and they still get sick when they do not social distance.

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There are no (read: zero) properly done studies on mask wearing that show it is effective against transmission of viruses. This is because viruses do not transmit infection to other people. We have been lied to by western allopathic medical "professionals" for whom germ theory keeps them in their cushy jobs. Of course, there are pathogens such as bacteria. Masks are effective in sterile settings like operating rooms, where they prevent droplets from the nose and mouth from entering a patient's open body cavity or wound, thus minimizing bacterial infection. In fact, and this according to Fauci in an earlier articles, extended mask-wearing, such as occurred in the 1918-19 flu, leads to bacterial pneumonia and even bacterial brain infections.

In taking the time to research and read about who runs our world, one would eventually find that there are dark occultists—specifically, Satanists and Luciferians—pulling ALL the strings. In the case of this PLANdemic, masks are being used in a global ritual of first depersonalizing wearers, then shaming them, and finally converting them into beings without compassion, true care, love, or liberty. The intention is to ritualize the enslavement of humanity. And it appears to be working: I've never witnessed so many people in abject fear, blindly complying with "edicts" and "mandates" that are not only arbitrary and cruel, they defy both man-made AND natural law. These people are turning into little tyrants, mini-psychopaths trying to control everyone and everything around them. This is not what our Creator intended for us.

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I need to know something. I'm hoping you'll answer honestly. Do you really believe that everyone that disagrees with you about mask wearing is dumb?

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So in other words anecdotal evidence not actual research. HTF is simply treating COVID-19 going to tell you what will and will not effectively filter the virus that causes it?

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So why do all medical personnel wear anything but a cloth mask?

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Because cloth masks are a joke and in reality even N95 and KN95 masks permit significant amounts of viral particles to pass through which is why none of the above are used on the hot side of level IV bio labs where highly pathogenic micro organisms are routinely handled. Researchers there would laugh at you and walk out if you told them they had to handle marburg or some other filovirus with nothing but a mask to protect them. Those facilities actually have much better first line defenses before a pathogen ever physically contacts PPE than medical workers or civillians have against SARS-CoV-2 exposure too. You can't work with COVID-19 patients in a glove box.

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Tradition?????????????

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Preach it!

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"Masks DON'T work, because the lab this virus came out of, they used level 4 biohazard sealed suits to keep from being exposed to the virus... "

Not only are they sealed but they are pressurized so that if a puncture tear or rip does occur air is forced out of the protective suit to prevent contaminants from entering and that is in addition to other protective barrier devices like negative pressure gloveboxes.

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There is no evidence this virus came out of a lab though.

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I'll go with coughing and sneezing into my elbow, thanks. That way I don't have to wear what I've just spewed over my face.

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Why don't you sneeze or cough inside your nasty mask and smear it deep all over your face and re-breath those juicy germs your body just naturally tried to get rid of. Me? I'll cough or sneeze in my dang elbow and call it a day because I love using that noggin of mine God gave me.

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Who told you to sneeze into your mask? That is dumb. Use your elbow or hankerchief then pull your mask up. Problem solved.

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