Every Republican Congressperson has an AIPAC guy. This, according to Republican Congressman Thomas Massie currently, and others in the past. Why is that, if Republicans are all in on Israel? Please explain why US taxpayers should foot the bill for the enemy that attacked the USS Liberty and murdered 34 Americans and wounded 174. Please explain same, for the country that spied on the US, using Jonathan Pollard, who instead of spending life in a US prison, was pardoned and was welcomed by Netanyahoo as a national hero in Israel? Please show us the Treaty, Agreement or any official document that clearly defines Israel as a US ''ally.''
It was. Tucker played dumb so that he could ask a lot of questions and have Massie, who is the best person in Congress, elaborate and emphasize how unique and bizarre that malodorous relationship is. Massie was coy by saying every Republican had an AIPAC guy, but wasn't sure about the other side. They both were cool when going back and forth about '' does any other country have a guy, '' and of course that was a rhetorical question that they also played with. Beautiful thing. Despite the Zionists incessant whining about ''rising'' antisemitism, the always-in-your-face holocaust, Israel's fake right-to-defend-itself, the ''Hamasification'' (as some idiot on this thread claimed) of the U.S., the Zio cat is out of the bag for all to see. It's everywhere. E.G., The Jimmy Dore Show on youtube had Philip Tourney, a USS Liberty veteran who survived Israel's vicious slaughter of Americans on June 8, 1967, on for an interview just before the recent 57th anniversary of that dastardly attack. I guarantee you, there has never been such a mass exposure of that particular Israeli indiscretion. The most common comments by the viewers were like, ''Why have I never heard of that before?'' ''I thought Israel was our great ally,'' ''Why did they get away with it?'', etc. etc. Follow that up with the Tucker interview, and people are absolutely waking up, party affiliation (or none) be damned. There's no going back. The big question is, ''Do you condemn Israel?''
That the roster is made up of american citizens in no way ensures that it isn't an actor for a foreign state, since being that (in effect if not formally) is not in opposition to it's purpose as weapons industry lobbyist group.
To assume Israel wouldn't utilise AIPAC to try and affect US policy is frankly laughable, it would be a gross dereliction of duty on the part of whatever dep. of the state of Israel is responsible for such endeavours. It is no more odd or a conspiracy than salafists funding mosques to recruit moslems to carry out terrorist assaults doing so with the tacit approval of the Qatari and Saudi governements, or Turkey infiltrating any part of Europe with a significant turkish subset and encouraging turks to try and take seats in parliaments, the better to influence european nations in favour of Turkey's interests.
Et cetera. A nation /not/ doing this would be odd indeed.
(But as you know, it is a jew doing something, it is automatically nefarious and suspicious. Some people just can't shake the habit.)
That is a very reasoned and good explanation of AIPAC, but I think your conclusions and presumptions are naive. On its most simple level, AIPAC is simply about formalized bribery, just like other lobbyists in Washington. Lobbyists basically bribe legislators so that legislation favorable to those who pay them results.
An example is what happened in the House in the last month or two. House members voted overwhelmingly to urinate on the First Amendment, and that's not the first time they've done it. AIPAC member Mast of Florida actually wore his IDF uniform in Congress, perhaps a first. The bill criminalizes free speech, and we're supposed to pretend everything is just fine. That similar measures exist in 30+ states including Florida shows how far the anti-First Amendment sentiment is spread throughout the US political classes.
I think compliance with FARA is a reasonable action. One cannot make a valid argument in favor of AIPAC when its lobbying has resulted in a methodical assault on the US Constitution, in violation of the federal oath of office. By definition, AIPAC and its members are domestic enemies of the document.
Considering the many facts and details and evidence regarding the events of 11 September and the connection with Israeli actions, urinating on the Constitution could be seen as a minor event. The creation of DHS in accordance with Israeli wishes is another chapter in the book.
The actual relationship between the United States and Israel is Münchausen syndrome, with us slowly poisoning Israel for virtue signaling and a small profit.
We’re the Evil Stepmother who thinks she’s a Saint as all her children (allies and clients) slowly die. Mind you, that’s also DC’s relationship with our own citizens, so don’t feel special.
“AIPAC doesn’t exist to advance the interests of Israel”……and you are “ignorant” if you believe that. More aggressive Orwellian nonsense that is the hallmark of the 21st century. A very deceptive and disingenuous Sub-stack article intended to mislead, confuse and obfuscate rather than illuminate truth and common sense. Don’t be fooled into thinking that AIPAC is some well-intentioned incompetent pro-American organization trying to further American interests in the Middle East. That is as silly as it is dangerous.
A great explanation for anyone who didn’t know or had a wrong idea about what AIPAC is and does.
Sadly, many seem bent on sticking to their biases and conspiracy theories rather than accepting the facts. These days that no longer surprises me. Many people are, and will remain, blind to the facts about a great many things, especially when it comes to certain people groups. It’s Jews now, next it will be Christians, (it has already started), and then no one will be left to help the rest when the target becomes them.
Jordan, I find it odd that your main complaint stems from what it does to Israel, a foreign country’s sovereignty, rather than what it does to America’s.
We understand lobbying in general is an infectious part of American politics, but I think it’s a mischaracterization to broadly claim “AIPAC doesn’t need to push republicans into a pro-Israel stance, bc they’re already pro-Israel” as there’s a difference between being pro-Israel and then doing what’s in Israel’s interest vs. America’s interest; the 2 aren’t always the same nor are they completely mutually exclusive. I can like the oil & gas industry, but what big oil lobbies for in D.C. is much more nuanced than making congressman “pro-oil”; it’s a matter of feeling pressured to vote a certain way to acquire congressional funding and potentially against one’s owns constituents.
I think you make some great points and are generally level-headed in your analysis, however, I find articles like this to sometimes be more reactive rebuttal’s to excuse certain problems in DC.
Pretty sure he said it isn’t good for either nation, but he’s absolutely correct in his assessment that it undermines Israel’s ability to make its own military decisions. A fact which is obviously extremely detrimental to Israel.
If the US was dependent on getting their military hardware from another country, and to get it we had to agree to defend ourselves only how that nation wanted us to, and couldn’t make the necessary decisions for our own proper defense, that would be a huge, and dangerous, situation for the US. That is what the current situation is.
Jordan’s explanation was spot on even if people with their preconceived notions and biases don’t like it.
I’m not sure why you responded to my comment because I wasn’t arguing that it wasn’t bad for Israel; it is bad. But it is far worst for my country, the United States, to dish out more for foreign aid, and ultimately plunge us more into debt with money we don’t technically have. I’m not sure what biases you’re referring to because I have no disagreement in your redundant explanation
You found it odd that he seemed to point out “mainly” the effect on Israel. He said it’s bad for both.
As far as the US goes, my guess is he knows it doesn’t matter much technically. We could stop giving anything to Israel, an ally that does actually benefit us with some of their technology in turn, as well as intel (though we like to ignore it), but that wouldn’t improve our situation at all because we’d just give more to Ukraine or Iran or some other nation for some other nefarious reason.
The US gives away money it doesn’t have like it’s giving away candy. The more wasteful and stupid, and even dangerous, charity cases (with zero benefit to us) are those two nations I just mentioned. Iran uses it against our allies and interests and military bases, and most likely eventually will use it against us in a much bigger way. Ukraine is just completely corrupt, infested with CIA, and a literal laundromat for corrupt US figures, not to mention a trafficking hub, that the US is involved in.
So all things considered, I’m more concerned about the detrimental effect on Israel’s sovereignty too. This nation is lost. Unless there’s a way to completely redo what the founders intended, it’s all down hill from here.
Yeah I think it’s a helluva an odd opinion to say America, the more consequential country and the one that affects us more is doomed so we shouldn’t care anymore what we do with our money, it will just be washed anyways, and just focus on a singular ally. Not sure where you’re from, but it sounds like you’re more concerned about the state of international politics than what America could be doing to help its own citizens and improve the political rot. All of the things you just stated spending money on have nothing to do with the average American.
"Lobbyists register as foreign agents because they are being paid by a foreign government to work on their behalf. Regarding AIPAC, no such dynamic with Israel exists."
You gotta be naive to think there aren't MOSAD connected assets within AIPAC, as probably CIA assets as well.
Every Republican Congressperson has an AIPAC guy. This, according to Republican Congressman Thomas Massie currently, and others in the past. Why is that, if Republicans are all in on Israel? Please explain why US taxpayers should foot the bill for the enemy that attacked the USS Liberty and murdered 34 Americans and wounded 174. Please explain same, for the country that spied on the US, using Jonathan Pollard, who instead of spending life in a US prison, was pardoned and was welcomed by Netanyahoo as a national hero in Israel? Please show us the Treaty, Agreement or any official document that clearly defines Israel as a US ''ally.''
That was an interesting interview he did with Tucker when they talked about it.
It was. Tucker played dumb so that he could ask a lot of questions and have Massie, who is the best person in Congress, elaborate and emphasize how unique and bizarre that malodorous relationship is. Massie was coy by saying every Republican had an AIPAC guy, but wasn't sure about the other side. They both were cool when going back and forth about '' does any other country have a guy, '' and of course that was a rhetorical question that they also played with. Beautiful thing. Despite the Zionists incessant whining about ''rising'' antisemitism, the always-in-your-face holocaust, Israel's fake right-to-defend-itself, the ''Hamasification'' (as some idiot on this thread claimed) of the U.S., the Zio cat is out of the bag for all to see. It's everywhere. E.G., The Jimmy Dore Show on youtube had Philip Tourney, a USS Liberty veteran who survived Israel's vicious slaughter of Americans on June 8, 1967, on for an interview just before the recent 57th anniversary of that dastardly attack. I guarantee you, there has never been such a mass exposure of that particular Israeli indiscretion. The most common comments by the viewers were like, ''Why have I never heard of that before?'' ''I thought Israel was our great ally,'' ''Why did they get away with it?'', etc. etc. Follow that up with the Tucker interview, and people are absolutely waking up, party affiliation (or none) be damned. There's no going back. The big question is, ''Do you condemn Israel?''
An intelligent position piece on AIPAC, Jordan. It confirmed my conjecture and cemented my view on AIPAC's troublesome meddling in US politics.
That the roster is made up of american citizens in no way ensures that it isn't an actor for a foreign state, since being that (in effect if not formally) is not in opposition to it's purpose as weapons industry lobbyist group.
To assume Israel wouldn't utilise AIPAC to try and affect US policy is frankly laughable, it would be a gross dereliction of duty on the part of whatever dep. of the state of Israel is responsible for such endeavours. It is no more odd or a conspiracy than salafists funding mosques to recruit moslems to carry out terrorist assaults doing so with the tacit approval of the Qatari and Saudi governements, or Turkey infiltrating any part of Europe with a significant turkish subset and encouraging turks to try and take seats in parliaments, the better to influence european nations in favour of Turkey's interests.
Et cetera. A nation /not/ doing this would be odd indeed.
(But as you know, it is a jew doing something, it is automatically nefarious and suspicious. Some people just can't shake the habit.)
That is a very reasoned and good explanation of AIPAC, but I think your conclusions and presumptions are naive. On its most simple level, AIPAC is simply about formalized bribery, just like other lobbyists in Washington. Lobbyists basically bribe legislators so that legislation favorable to those who pay them results.
An example is what happened in the House in the last month or two. House members voted overwhelmingly to urinate on the First Amendment, and that's not the first time they've done it. AIPAC member Mast of Florida actually wore his IDF uniform in Congress, perhaps a first. The bill criminalizes free speech, and we're supposed to pretend everything is just fine. That similar measures exist in 30+ states including Florida shows how far the anti-First Amendment sentiment is spread throughout the US political classes.
I think compliance with FARA is a reasonable action. One cannot make a valid argument in favor of AIPAC when its lobbying has resulted in a methodical assault on the US Constitution, in violation of the federal oath of office. By definition, AIPAC and its members are domestic enemies of the document.
Considering the many facts and details and evidence regarding the events of 11 September and the connection with Israeli actions, urinating on the Constitution could be seen as a minor event. The creation of DHS in accordance with Israeli wishes is another chapter in the book.
The actual relationship between the United States and Israel is Münchausen syndrome, with us slowly poisoning Israel for virtue signaling and a small profit.
We’re the Evil Stepmother who thinks she’s a Saint as all her children (allies and clients) slowly die. Mind you, that’s also DC’s relationship with our own citizens, so don’t feel special.
AIPAC is a rebranding of ZoA. Kennedy tried to get them to register as foreign agents. It didn’t end well for him.
“AIPAC doesn’t exist to advance the interests of Israel”……and you are “ignorant” if you believe that. More aggressive Orwellian nonsense that is the hallmark of the 21st century. A very deceptive and disingenuous Sub-stack article intended to mislead, confuse and obfuscate rather than illuminate truth and common sense. Don’t be fooled into thinking that AIPAC is some well-intentioned incompetent pro-American organization trying to further American interests in the Middle East. That is as silly as it is dangerous.
Aid to Israel, like so much government spending, is Corporate welfare disguised as benevolence.
You nailed it, Jordan. That’s a very well articulated explanation that I hope a lot of people will see.
A great explanation for anyone who didn’t know or had a wrong idea about what AIPAC is and does.
Sadly, many seem bent on sticking to their biases and conspiracy theories rather than accepting the facts. These days that no longer surprises me. Many people are, and will remain, blind to the facts about a great many things, especially when it comes to certain people groups. It’s Jews now, next it will be Christians, (it has already started), and then no one will be left to help the rest when the target becomes them.
Jordan, I find it odd that your main complaint stems from what it does to Israel, a foreign country’s sovereignty, rather than what it does to America’s.
We understand lobbying in general is an infectious part of American politics, but I think it’s a mischaracterization to broadly claim “AIPAC doesn’t need to push republicans into a pro-Israel stance, bc they’re already pro-Israel” as there’s a difference between being pro-Israel and then doing what’s in Israel’s interest vs. America’s interest; the 2 aren’t always the same nor are they completely mutually exclusive. I can like the oil & gas industry, but what big oil lobbies for in D.C. is much more nuanced than making congressman “pro-oil”; it’s a matter of feeling pressured to vote a certain way to acquire congressional funding and potentially against one’s owns constituents.
I think you make some great points and are generally level-headed in your analysis, however, I find articles like this to sometimes be more reactive rebuttal’s to excuse certain problems in DC.
Pretty sure he said it isn’t good for either nation, but he’s absolutely correct in his assessment that it undermines Israel’s ability to make its own military decisions. A fact which is obviously extremely detrimental to Israel.
If the US was dependent on getting their military hardware from another country, and to get it we had to agree to defend ourselves only how that nation wanted us to, and couldn’t make the necessary decisions for our own proper defense, that would be a huge, and dangerous, situation for the US. That is what the current situation is.
Jordan’s explanation was spot on even if people with their preconceived notions and biases don’t like it.
I’m not sure why you responded to my comment because I wasn’t arguing that it wasn’t bad for Israel; it is bad. But it is far worst for my country, the United States, to dish out more for foreign aid, and ultimately plunge us more into debt with money we don’t technically have. I’m not sure what biases you’re referring to because I have no disagreement in your redundant explanation
You found it odd that he seemed to point out “mainly” the effect on Israel. He said it’s bad for both.
As far as the US goes, my guess is he knows it doesn’t matter much technically. We could stop giving anything to Israel, an ally that does actually benefit us with some of their technology in turn, as well as intel (though we like to ignore it), but that wouldn’t improve our situation at all because we’d just give more to Ukraine or Iran or some other nation for some other nefarious reason.
The US gives away money it doesn’t have like it’s giving away candy. The more wasteful and stupid, and even dangerous, charity cases (with zero benefit to us) are those two nations I just mentioned. Iran uses it against our allies and interests and military bases, and most likely eventually will use it against us in a much bigger way. Ukraine is just completely corrupt, infested with CIA, and a literal laundromat for corrupt US figures, not to mention a trafficking hub, that the US is involved in.
So all things considered, I’m more concerned about the detrimental effect on Israel’s sovereignty too. This nation is lost. Unless there’s a way to completely redo what the founders intended, it’s all down hill from here.
Yeah I think it’s a helluva an odd opinion to say America, the more consequential country and the one that affects us more is doomed so we shouldn’t care anymore what we do with our money, it will just be washed anyways, and just focus on a singular ally. Not sure where you’re from, but it sounds like you’re more concerned about the state of international politics than what America could be doing to help its own citizens and improve the political rot. All of the things you just stated spending money on have nothing to do with the average American.
I smell hasbara.
Next we'll be hearing that Ben Piece of Shapiro is really America First.
Thank you so much for this. “I once was blind but now I see … 😁”. I am grateful for the insight.
I went to a meeting 10 years ago in Livingston, NJ. I heard what they had to say and their love for "both sides" and walked out.
“The D.C. liberals who run ____”
Anything .
What is this market…of which you speak?
"Lobbyists register as foreign agents because they are being paid by a foreign government to work on their behalf. Regarding AIPAC, no such dynamic with Israel exists."
You gotta be naive to think there aren't MOSAD connected assets within AIPAC, as probably CIA assets as well.